Those that believe unleavened bread symbolizes Jesus

Harel13 said:

I have some questions for those people - which I gather are mostly evangelical Christians - that believe that matzah (AKA unleavened bread), eaten by Jews on Passover, symbolizes Jesus. From what I understand, the puncture holes in the bread symbolizes Jesus's puncture wounds. The lack of yeast symbolizes his perfection. The lines symbolize Jesus having been whipped before the crucifixion.

As such, I was wondering:

1. What do round matzah symbolize?

2. What do square ones?

3. Why are there no triangular matzah - would this not be most symbolic of the trinity?

4. What is the significance of the matzah-making process from kneading to finished product being only up to 18 minutes?

5. Why isn't sugar added to the matzah? How about salt?

Edit: This is not about the communion wafer.

Thank you.

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Okay. Please explain why there are puncture holes and lines.

BilliardsBall said:

Okay. Please explain why there are puncture holes and lines.

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According to Judaism or according to this Christian view?

Terrywoodenpic said:

I do not propose to work through the outdated Catholic opinions with you.

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I guess we are at an impasse then, for neither do I propose wo work through what appears to have anti-catholic tones.
Dr. Aaron Milavec | Church on Fire

Jungmann had only one purpose, the liturgical worship of the earliest Christian communities and what has been retained in the practice of the Church today. As far as his reference to the Didache and the words of institution is concerned, nowhere in the Gospels nor in the liturgy of the Passover, nor in the words of Jesus, was the wine offered before the bread.

pcarl said:

I guess we are at an impasse then, for neither do I propose wo work through what appears to have anti-catholic tones.
Dr. Aaron Milavec | Church on Fire

Jungmann had only one purpose, the liturgical worship of the earliest Christian communities and what has been retained in the practice of the Church today. As far as his reference to the Didache and the words of institution is concerned, nowhere in the Gospels nor in the liturgy of the Passover, nor in the words of Jesus, was the wine offered before the bread.

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However it clearly was done that way in a large section of the early church that used the Didache. Not that it actually matters. It is just the way those early Judeo_ Christians actually did it. Nothing was normalised until Nicaea some 250 or more years later?years later.

pcarl said:

I guess we are at an impasse then, for neither do I propose wo work through what appears to have anti-catholic tones.
Dr. Aaron Milavec | Church on Fire

Jungmann had only one purpose, the liturgical worship of the earliest Christian communities and what has been retained in the practice of the Church today. As far as his reference to the Didache and the words of institution is concerned, nowhere in the Gospels nor in the liturgy of the Passover, nor in the words of Jesus, was the wine offered before the bread.

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As long time teacher of Catholic seminarians. Aaron Milavec is far from being anticatholic, however it woul be true to say that he sees the dire need for reforming itself, in the light of its rapid shrinkage and degree to which its leaders are out of touch with its membership and young priests.

His work on the Didache for which he is now regarded as a leading authority, is nothing to do with reformation. It is a very serious work of critical research and study.
The with I alluded to is a down sized version of his major work, for his students to use.

I was able to read through it first time in a single evening. However it takes rather more readings than that to fully digest.

The Didache a unique document of the earliest days of the Jesus movement and before the establishmen of the Church, is worth the effort of study by any one interested in the development of the Church. This book is recognised as a leading work of scholarship.

Harel13 said:

According to Judaism or according to this Christian view?

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According to Judaism and/or your apologetic. If you say, "It's not for the Christian-given reasons," what are you reasons?

BilliardsBall said:

According to Judaism and/or your apologetic. If you say, "It's not for the Christian-given reasons," what are you reasons?

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The holes are made to assist with the baking process. This causes all of the dough to bake, so there won't be any chametz in the matzah (as it only bakes for a short time as it is). As for the lines...I've never been sure what Christians mean by this. Is this a reference to all of the holes being in rows? This is because in modern-day matzah-making, there's a special tool that makes all of the holes at once, just prior to putting the kneaded dough in the oven.

@Harel13 Of course, your explanation would only apply to rectangular, machine made matzah which has only been around for, what, 150 (plus or minus 20) years. So any symbolism read into the holes and lines (things invented by religious Jews) would therefore have NOT been there before 1830, as the hand made ones were round
, so they could not have been understood as any symbol by any Christians before that.