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About condeming others to hell.

Yahcubs777

Active Member
There is as many views of what Hell actually is, as there is human beings on earth. We can not know for sure before or if we are unlucky to end there

This is not a view; this is the knowledge of the journey of the dead... The mystery hidden in ages. When you understand laws and bounds of planets, of worlds, and of Heaven, then its impossible to not know what hell is, what produced it, and why people go there...

Here is an example on why it is important to know and understand. I will list them out in point form so you will see why GOD brought the knowledge of it to the poeple.

1. People have claimed to have died and gone to hell, then to come back to life and tell the people what its like so that they should avoid it. But Luke 16:19-30 reveals that it can't happen that way.
2. The people that always seem to have negative things to say about the GOD in ignorance, ask questions like: If GOD is all loving, then why does HE send people to hell to be tormented...

Now if you look at the laws of this earth, every citizen in her must have a physical body. The buildings are physical, roads, everything tangible in this earth is recognised by the laws of this earth. And in this earth there are different worlds. Such the ocean has its own set of rules that the citizens of her are subject to. Then the birds of the air have their own set of rules they are subject too. Then if we go further outside the earths atmosphere, there is no gravity, and you can't survive out there without oxygen masks. Then the temperature is also different and so on. The laws of the earth do not recognise a being without a physical body.

Then heaven is also a physical realm. Angels and Cherubm and Serpahim are not ghosts; they have their physical body; their anatomy; their definitions. The 12 Gates are not ghostly they are physical. The Great white throne is not ghostly. Heaven is not a ghost world. Even Jesus His Pre-Eminence ascended with a physical body. The Laws of heaven do not recognise a being without physical body.

So then where do ghosts go to?

The womb of the earth, which was called hell.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
This is not a view; this is the knowledge of the journey of the dead... The mystery hidden in ages. When you understand laws and bounds of planets, of worlds, and of Heaven, then its impossible to not know what hell is, what produced it, and why people go there...

Here is an example on why it is important to know and understand. I will list them out in point form so you will see why GOD brought the knowledge of it to the poeple.

1. People have claimed to have died and gone to hell, then to come back to life and tell the people what its like so that they should avoid it. But Luke 16:19-30 reveals that it can't happen that way.
2. The people that always seem to have negative things to say about the GOD in ignorance, ask questions like: If GOD is all loving, then why does HE send people to hell to be tormented...

Now if you look at the laws of this earth, every citizen in her must have a physical body. The buildings are physical, roads, everything tangible in this earth is recognised by the laws of this earth. And in this earth there are different worlds. Such the ocean has its own set of rules that the citizens of her are subject to. Then the birds of the air have their own set of rules they are subject too. Then if we go further outside the earths atmosphere, there is no gravity, and you can't survive out there without oxygen masks. Then the temperature is also different and so on. The laws of the earth do not recognise a being without a physical body.

Then heaven is also a physical realm. Angels and Cherubm and Serpahim are not ghosts; they have their physical body; their anatomy; their definitions. The 12 Gates are not ghostly they are physical. The Great white throne is not ghostly. Heaven is not a ghost world. Even Jesus His Pre-Eminence ascended with a physical body. The Laws of heaven do not recognise a being without physical body.

So then where do ghosts go to?

The womb of the earth, which was called hell.
What you write here is one way it can be, but does that mean it is the only way it is possible Hell is a physical place or a mental place or both? No, it means your understanding tell you that what you said is how it is.
 

Hermit Philosopher

Selflessly here for you
This topic is something that worries me a great deal.

How can humans condem each other to hell :confused: we are all in risk of going there ( if hell exist as in religious scripture)

Would it not be God who actually deside if a human goes to hell or heaven. Not our fellow human beings :confused:


Dear Conscious thoughts,

Christianity says “though shall not judge” but Christians are human and humans are flawed and frequently do what they know they should not.

Seek not perfection; Man cannot rid himself of sin. Yet with the “smaller” sins, committed by most on a daily basis, the important thing is to make oneself aware of one’s own and address where they are coming from. In this manner, Man learns that his own sins - in one way or another - all stem from Ego and in time, he understands that so do the sins of everyone else.

Understanding one’s own sins, is the key to humbling oneself and learning to judge another less harshly.


Humbly
Hermit
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Dear Conscious thoughts,

Christianity says “though shall not judge” but Christians are human and humans are flawed and frequently do what they know they should not.

Seek not perfection; Man cannot rid himself of sin. Yet with the “smaller” sins, committed by most on a daily basis, the important thing is to make oneself aware of one’s own and address where they are coming from. In this manner, Man learns that his own sins - in one way or another - all stem from Ego and in time, he understands that so do the sins of everyone else.

Understanding one’s own sins, is the key to humbling oneself and learning to judge another less harshly.


Humbly
Hermit
Totally agree with you on this @Hermit Philosopher
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
This topic is something that worries me a great deal.

How can humans condem each other to hell :confused: we are all in risk of going there ( if hell exist as in religious scripture)

Would it not be God who actually deside if a human goes to hell or heaven. Not our fellow human beings :confused:


I, and my family have been condemned to hell quite regularly... one of several reasons i hold my views on christianity in general.

My view is if these people who condemn others for not falling down to their version of god will be in heaven then hell sounds just great to me
 

Yahcubs777

Active Member
What you write here is one way it can be, but does that mean it is the only way it is possible Hell is a physical place or a mental place or both? No, it means your understanding tell you that what you said is how it is.

What are you talking about? Lol this is just silly. Im sorry if you take it a certain way. You seem to subscribe to the idea that no one can know this? Well ill leave you to keep thinking that. I, on the other hand, have known it. And by the way, i don't condemn anyone to hell because I know what it is.

How can hell be a physical place? you go to hell through death lol i choose knowledge over ignorance.
 

Regiomontanus

Ματαιοδοξία ματαιοδοξιών! Όλα είναι ματαιοδοξία.
This topic is something that worries me a great deal.

How can humans condem each other to hell :confused: we are all in risk of going there ( if hell exist as in religious scripture)

Would it not be God who actually deside if a human goes to hell or heaven. Not our fellow human beings :confused:

I do not think hell is a place where someone 'goes'.

I agree with what Pope John Paul II said about it:

"Pope John Paul II rejected the reality of a physical, literal hell as a place of eternal fire and torment. Rather, the pope said hell is separation, even in this life, from the joyful communion with God. According to an official Vatican transcript of the pope's speech, Pope John Paul II noted that the Scriptural references to hell and the images portrayed by Scripture are only symbolic and figurative of "the complete frustration and emptiness of life without God. " He added, "Rather than a physical place, hell is the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy." He said hell is "a condition resulting from attitudes and actions which people adopt in this life." Concerning the concept of eternal damnation, the pope said, "Damnation consists precisely in definitive separation from God, freely chosen by the human person, and confirmed with death that seals his choice for ever." The pope also added, "The thought of hell and even less the improper use of biblical images must not create anxiety or despair." Rather, he stated, it is a reminder of the freedom found in Christ."

Therefore whether one 'goes to hell' or not is up to them. @Revoltingest is there now. How's it going? :)
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
What are you talking about? Lol this is just silly. Im sorry if you take it a certain way. You seem to subscribe to the idea that no one can know this? Well ill leave you to keep thinking that. I, on the other hand, have known it. And by the way, i don't condemn anyone to hell because I know what it is.

How can hell be a physical place? you go to hell through death lol i choose knowledge over ignorance.
I do not know for sure what Hell is or if it is physical or not, what i do believe is that it is an experience of suffering, but in what way, i do not know
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
This topic is something that worries me a great deal.

How can humans condem each other to hell :confused: we are all in risk of going there ( if hell exist as in religious scripture)

Would it not be God who actually deside if a human goes to hell or heaven. Not our fellow human beings :confused:

I feel for people who worry about these things unnecessarily. It must be rough, constantly worrying about some future they actually know nothing about. How about getting more pre-occupied with what you're doing moment by moment?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
To continue from my previous post.

The hell of the bible is rather a tame place so I do think it rather sweet that many christians see hell as derived from the works of Dante Alighieri and Heironymus Bosch.

I do chuckle when i am threatened with a comedy poem and some terrific art.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
How can humans condemn each other to hell

To tell someone that they will go to hell because of difference in Religion, sexuality, or other topics. I do not see how a human being can "know" who goes to hell or not.

Whether gods exist or not, man has long understood the value of using the literary device of a god to speak through - some variation of "God told me to tell you that you'd better yada yada or else you will incur His wrath. Don't blame me. I'm only the messenger trying to help you."

Hell is the stick used in Sunday schools and thereafter. Even if praising a god all day floating on clouds with winged angels strumming harps (or whatever the dominant depiction of heaven is in any given time and place) doesn't appeal to you, the fear of hellfire will keep many in compliance with the pronouncements of the priesthood.

This is interesting because there is presently a movement in the Christian church to modify hell theology to say that perdition is not torture, but just sleep, or perhaps separation from God, but not the older image of demons poking spears into souls swimming in flames gratuitously kept conscious just to be allowed to suffer for eternity to the benefit of nobody but a sadist. Some can't lose the torture aspect, but they displace the blame for this from the creator of this torture pit to the victim by saying that God doesn't send one to hell, he sends himself.

Many Christian apologists understand that this theology is incompatible with the idea of a loving God, and that it serves as a huge turn-off to Christianity for growing numbers of young people, who find religion unbelievable and irrelevant to them, if not outright ridiculous. So, they take the torture out of the equation.

But what do you have left without the stick of hellfire? Like I said, being saved isn't much of an appeal apart from avoiding the extinction of one's consciousness, and in the models that merely have us separated from this god rather than extinguished, well, that's how I live now, and it's just fine. One is much more willing to miss out on that if that's the only cost of being wrong than ending up tortured for eternity.

So what is the church to do about hell theology? I'd say they can't win however they choose, since hell theology is the only way to keep some in the fold, but also, something also keeping others out. You could say that they're damned if they do, and damned if they don't.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
This topic is something that worries me a great deal.

How can humans condem each other to hell :confused: we are all in risk of going there ( if hell exist as in religious scripture)

Would it not be God who actually deside if a human goes to hell or heaven. Not our fellow human beings :confused:

Though you will see some atheists commenting as "side notes" in this thread, I would like to say that you are absolutely spot on.

Who in the world do humans think they are to play God? ;) Thats exactly it. They are playing God.

Of course sometimes we may comment on people like lets say "ted bundy".
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Have you ever thought that you are a religious important person, someone sent to "help" or fix those who you believe is fallen?

Have you ever thought you are an reincarnation of a biblical person?
Have you ever thought...

This topic is something that worries me a great deal.

How can humans condem each other to hell :confused: we are all in risk of going there ( if hell exist as in religious scripture)

Would it not be God who actually deside if a human goes to hell or heaven. Not our fellow human beings :confused:
About condeming others to hell.

Both threads are quite related, because in both examples the persons thinks to know what is best for the other
He thinks he knows how the other has to change, to become a better person

Both are extremely arrogant, and not spiritual at all, because there is no respect for the feelings of the other (and blasphemous, playing God)
Actually, it's none of our business to think, and let alone speak to the other in such a belittling way

It shows Spiritual Ego (I know what is best for you), as wel as belittling the other (you are stupid, you don't know)
Of course he will "dress it" in a nice way (I just want to help you), but that makes it even worse

1) I rather mind my own business, and give others the opportunity to do that too
2) Only give advice if explicitly asked for (and even then, sometimes better not even give it)
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Have you ever thought...


About condeming others to hell.

Both threads are quite related, because in both examples the persons thinks to know what is best for the other
He thinks he knows how the other has to change, to become a better person

Both are extremely arrogant, and not spiritual at all, because there is no respect for the feelings of the other (and blasphemous, playing God)
Actually, it's none of our business to think, and let alone speak to the other in such a belittling way

It shows Spiritual Ego (I know what is best for you), as wel as belittling the other (you are stupid, you don't know)
Of course he will "dress it" in a nice way (I just want to help you), but that makes it even worse

1) I rather mind my own business, and give others the opportunity to do that too
2) Only give advice if explicitly asked for (and even then, sometimes better not even give it)
Not sure if i understood you correct :)
Do you feel the Topic/Questions was asked in a arrogant way? or do you mean those who think they are something special or condeming others are arrogant. :)
 
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