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The son of God.
- Thread starter Lance'o
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Because I am biased towards naturalistic interpretations of historical events, by default, I would assume that Jesus was a person, the same as the rest of us, and that he was not the product of a virgin birth. So I would say he was a the son of a man or the son of a woman, rather than the son of God.
Assuming he existed as a historical person, I would accept that Jesus was an extremely gifted public speaker, spiritual teacher and charismatic leader for his time. As a historical figure he represented a moment in history where various social forces converged to produce the explosive growth of Christianity as a major world religion over the first, second and third centuries until it became the official religion in the Roman Empire in 380 AD.
In his rare level of conviction (or perhaps fanaticism) that led him to his execution by pursuing his teachings despite enormous institutional opposition at the time, he was "the right guy at the right place at the right time" to bring about these changes. In the absence of an atheistic-materialist understanding of history, this chance sequence of events that saw a single person's ideas transform the Roman Empire and overturn the dominant Pagan beliefs at the time was attributed to his "divinity" as the "son of God".
As the success of a spiritual teacher was often taken as evidence of their divine inspiration, I might even concede that there is a degree of truth in understanding his as the "son of God". But it is only in so far as God is the rationalisation of social processes we didn't yet understand, the latter offering a better explanation of his success than the role of a deity in human social and historical affairs.
I guess you could say that is a mixture of the two, but ordinarily, I would go for calling it a "metaphor".
Colt
Well-Known Member
I believe that he is the "Son of God" who made this and many other inhabited worlds. That Jesus of Nazareth was a divine being living for the most part anonymously among us.
I'm not sure if you're asking me what all people believe, what Christians believe, or what I believe.
I can only tell you what I believe.
For me, I believe most, if not all, Christians believe this literally, that the Virgin Mary conceived through God's grace, and that God was the father of the Lord Jesus Christ.
We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the human race, was preserved free from all stain of original sin, is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful.
Immaculate Conception - Wikipedia
Immaculate Conception - Wikipedia
I think it is allegorical...since in our Creed we say "begotten not made consubstantial to the Father".
Which means Jesus and God are the same divine essence.
Which means Jesus and God are the same divine essence.
The scribes who made up the story may have wanted us to take it literally, but I consider all people the children of God equally, Jesus has no special claim in my opinion.
I am atheist but do believe that jesus probably lived. Not as described in the bible but the son of Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera, a Roman soldier. Whether by rape or consent i don't know. As a young adult Jesus opposed Roman rule and religious freedoms, was quite probably an anarchist, to what degree i don't know. There is rumour he was a member of the Fourth Philosophy and possibly even the Sicarii. He was executed for his crimes against the Emperor and the state.
The biblical version of Jesus came about several generations after his death and is probably based on John the Baptiser.
I also believe that any evidence to contradict the bible version of Jesus was destroyed by Theophilus
The biblical version of Jesus came about several generations after his death and is probably based on John the Baptiser.
I also believe that any evidence to contradict the bible version of Jesus was destroyed by Theophilus
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Any interesting view of Jesus
and a version i have never heard before.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
The son of God.
Saying "Son of God":
* something humans can relate to
* might give the feeling that God is human
* might induce a loving relationship with God, as family comes first
* might give the feeling that we become God one day (son of father becomes father one day himself)
God, being abstract, I can understand why this was chosen. Very difficult to develop feelings, with something abstract. And the key to the heart is feelings. So, it does make sense, to create the picture "the son of God". But not just for Jesus, this applies to any human being.
Good question, I never gave it much thought before.
Saying "Son of God":
* something humans can relate to
* might give the feeling that God is human
* might induce a loving relationship with God, as family comes first
* might give the feeling that we become God one day (son of father becomes father one day himself)
God, being abstract, I can understand why this was chosen. Very difficult to develop feelings, with something abstract. And the key to the heart is feelings. So, it does make sense, to create the picture "the son of God". But not just for Jesus, this applies to any human being.
Yahcubs777
Active Member
The Son of GOD was not born of an earthly man or woman, or celestial man or woman, but born of the Most Holy Spirit of GOD, and came out of HIS bowels as a full grown man without physical body.
Dave Watchman
Active Member
The Son of God is a statement I believe to be of true fact.
I could be a son of God one day, for the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God, but there is only one begotten Son of God, He is Jesus the Christ.
I believe Jesus is the God of the Old Testament.
There was nothing made that was not made by Him.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him was not any thing made that was made. - John 1:1-3
Jesus was speaking to the Father when He said "let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness.
Jesus was the Commander of the Lord's army outside the walls of Jericho when he told Joshua to take the sandals off your feet for the ground where you are standing is holy. And Joshua did so.
Jesus was the burning bush that told Moses to take the sandals off his feet for the place where he stood was holy.
Paul told the Old Time Jews that our ancestors were all under the cloud and ate from the same spiritual food.
"For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ. - 1 Corinthians 10:1-5
And that Rock was Christ.
Word up.
Peaceful Sabbath.
Yahcubs777
Active Member
If it was Jesus HIs Pre-Eminence speaking to GOD saying "let us make man in our image, after our likeness", then Jesus His Pre-Eminence would have had children, and a matrimonial wife.
Dave Watchman
Active Member
Did Satan need a matrimonial wife to give birth to " a brood of vipers"?
They are of their father the Devil, he was a murderer from the beginning.
What did that mean?
Lets not argue here today Yahcubs, the Atheists are prowling around here like roaring lions, seeking whom they may devour.
Peaceful Sabbath.
Any interesting view of Jesus
Pantera is mentioned in the Talmud and other hebrew writings as the father od jesus
I have studied rome minus/plus 100 years of the founding of empire, my view is based on how Rome worked.
Crucifixion was generally reserved for terroists and traitors.
There are several books, a good list is here
Bibliography of books critical of Christianity - Wikipedia
I don't know if Jesus Christ was the son of God, or even a real person - this being likely but not all that was attached to such - but I wouldn't feel that good about any religious belief that relied on any human or any posing as such to verify any beliefs I might have. Perhaps it's just my sceptical nature, but such are too easily manipulated so as not to be verifiable.
Yahcubs777
Active Member
Did Satan need a matrimonial wife to give birth to " a brood of vipers"?
They are of their father the Devil, he was a murderer from the beginning.
What did that mean?
Lets not argue here today Yahcubs, the Atheists are prowling around here like roaring lions, seeking whom they may devour.
Peaceful Sabbath.
There is a very deep Revelation here that should not be shared in public. I do not seek argument lol...
i will say this.
Today, it is proven beyond Gainsay, that the Son of GOD is the procreator of the human race; the mankind race.
Shalom.
Anno Domini.
Lets not argue here today Yahcubs, the Atheists are prowling around here like roaring lions, seeking whom they may devour.
*attempts to be roaring lion*
No, He is literally the Son of God. That's what Christianity always taught. I have no clue where all these people are getting these other notions, but it seems like everyone is making up their own religions now or being their own pope. Whatever.
"son" is a word that makes the Avatar/Christ/Ancient one relatable to people.
The Avatar/Christ is the first 'drop' soul to emerge at the moment of creation. He comes again and again to true the development of the universe and lead us all closer to God. So the word 'son' is a metaphor for the reality.
Jesus was one manifestation of the eternal Christ.
The Avatar/Christ is the first 'drop' soul to emerge at the moment of creation. He comes again and again to true the development of the universe and lead us all closer to God. So the word 'son' is a metaphor for the reality.
Jesus was one manifestation of the eternal Christ.