The Bible speaks of the earth's free float in space. Isaiah 40: 'The earth hangs upon nothing.' Speaks of the earth being round: 'He who sits upon the circle of the earth.'
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Which "afterlife" stories makes the most sense?
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The Bible speaks of the earth's free float in space. Isaiah 40: 'The earth hangs upon nothing.' Speaks of the earth being round: 'He who sits upon the circle of the earth.'
Trailblazer
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I never said I had objective evidence. The spiritual world is the unseen realm. It cannot be seen from this world.
How can there be objective evidence of what one cannot see?
I believe that you will, so what we have is a difference in our beliefs.
Trailblazer
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Yes, I am saying that, but the new earth is not what Christians believe it is. It is not something that Jesus is going to bring, it is something that humans are going to build by following the counsels of Baha'u'llah.
No "afterlife story" makes sense, if it involves more life.
The afterbeer story: "After we drink all the beer, let's drink the beer that's left." Um, there isn't any.
The aftermoney story: "After we've spent all the money, let's spend the money that's left." You won't be buying anything (credit doesn't count).
The afterbeer story: "After we drink all the beer, let's drink the beer that's left." Um, there isn't any.
The aftermoney story: "After we've spent all the money, let's spend the money that's left." You won't be buying anything (credit doesn't count).
Then why believe it?
You believe that there is no intermediate heaven and heaven heaven is the eternal heaven?
Trailblazer
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There might be no beer or money available to you at that time but that does not mean there is no more beer or money left in the world.
More life after this life makes perfect sense to me because this life would serve no real purpose -- except to procreate, eat drink and be merry -- if there was no afterlife. Moreover, the suffering that we have to endure in this life would make no sense if there was no afterlife.... It would be suffering that served no purpose.
You don't have to see to believe. We believe in air even though we don't see it. Also, we see God's creation all around us.
Trailblazer
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I do not need objective evidence for everything I believe. I have no objective evidence of God either.
I believe there is an afterlife because of what Baha'u'llah revealed and also because of other accounts from people who had NDEs and books written by mediums who have communicated with souls who have passed on t the spiritual world. All of these accounts portray an afterlife that is congruent with what Baha'u'llah revealed so they constitute confirmatory evidence.
The purpose of life is to know God.
You die and are judged by what you've done in your life and sent to the appropriate destination.
Reincarnation seems to make sense of some things but I no longer believe it because it's such a cold and impersonal concept.
Trailblazer
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No, I do not believe that there is an intermediate heaven. I believe there is a material world and a spiritual world. Earth is in the material world and heaven is in the spiritual world.
Trailblazer
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I agree, that is our primary purpose, but I believe we also have to follow God's commandments.
“The beginning of all things is the knowledge of God, and the end of all things is strict observance of whatsoever hath been sent down from the empyrean of the Divine Will that pervadeth all that is in the heavens and all that is on the earth.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 5
Why do you think human beings weren't created in heaven?
Trailblazer
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Also, who would want to come back to this hellhole? Only people who have had great lives, which excludes me.
I believe that God isn't looking for perfect people, but people who are going to seek Him, and you also have to strive.
Trailblazer
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Because God intended for us to live in this world to learn what we have to learn and acquire spiritual qualities so we will be prepared to live in heaven for eternity.
I sure don't. I want to be with God and my loved ones.
Trailblazer
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Agreed.
But here's the critical question: why do you assume that there is a "purpose?" And whose "purpose" is it?
And if it is some other entity's "purpose" for you, then you are nothing but the pawn...the game piece on the board...and you will be moved as that entity chooses and you'll have diddly squat to do with it.