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WHat is Passover?

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
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From the beginning God has revealed how He was going to redeem mankind due to our rebellion. He has been revealing Himself, speaking through the Prophets since the beginning, revealing what He was going to do in sending His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
Jesus Christ was innocent and killed by the rulers of that time and really by all of us too, we all sinned and rebelled, all guilty. This has resulted in an opportunity for all mankind to receive eternal life through Him. This isn’t some kind of borrowing from pagan worship, quite the opposite. Satan can only counterfeit and pervert what God does, that’s what pagan worship is, a counterfeit and perversion. As a matter of fact, Satans next attempt will be to help Israel build their Temple and will set himself up in it and declare he is god and command all to worship him, the antichrist and the false prophet doing all kinds of lying wonders to deceive people.
“However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written: “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.” But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.”
‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭2:6-12‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ, whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls. Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into.”
‭‭I Peter‬ ‭1:7-12‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
Who are you replying to?
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
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I don’t know how to work this stuff on here, lol
Oh, that's fine, I'll help.

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Oh, that's fine, I'll help.

To tag someone, add this @ sign before their name: @ElishaElijah @Harel13 and so forth. Just be aware to not leave a space between the @ and their name, because then it won't tag them. For example: @Harel13 as opposed to @ Harel13
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Hey thanks! Gonna try that but working now
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
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Premium Member
Before I reply to your post, I would appreciate knowing whether you read everything I wrote or just skimmed. I put in a lot of time in collecting all of the sources, and your reply seems to suggest that you didn't read it thoroughly. If I'm wrong, I'd be happy to know and of course I will apologize.
From the beginning God has revealed how He was going to redeem mankind due to our rebellion. He has been revealing Himself, speaking through the Prophets since the beginning, revealing what He was going to do in sending His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
Jesus Christ was innocent and killed by the rulers of that time and really by all of us too, we all sinned and rebelled, all guilty. This has resulted in an opportunity for all mankind to receive eternal life through Him. This isn’t some kind of borrowing from pagan worship, quite the opposite. Satan can only counterfeit and pervert what God does, that’s what pagan worship is, a counterfeit and perversion. As a matter of fact, Satans next attempt will be to help Israel build their Temple and will set himself up in it and declare he is god and command all to worship him, the antichrist and the false prophet doing all kinds of lying wonders to deceive people.
“However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written: “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.” But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.”
‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭2:6-12‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ, whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls. Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into.”
‭‭I Peter‬ ‭1:7-12‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
Okay. I already explained to you why quoting the NT to me is meaningless, because it's filled with hatred for my people. However, nonetheless I'll read what you've brought here.

I see you say that Satan will cause Israel to build the Temple - so you agree with those verses I brought from Revelation on the Jews being "of the synagogue of Satan"? Regrettable, and further weakens your argument. It's tough convincing someone to agree with you when you're calling them evil students of Satan. By the way, I once wrote a poem about the synagogue of Satan, if it interest you.

I'm now adding to the list of things you believe in, the possibility of near dualism, in which a lesser angel - Satan - has the ability to rebel against god and control the forces of evil against god's will. This is also a pagan idea according to Judaism. I'm on my phone now, so bringing verses will be hard, but I'll bring verses about this later, if you want.

That quote from Corinthians doesn't say much of anything relevant to my post.
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
By the way, how you going to shave without a razor? Probably meant to avoid a certain hair cut that pagans had.
I'm from the Synagogue of Satan, apparently. We just use our fire powers to burn our hair away.

Okay, I'm kidding. Jewish law defines how to properly trim our hair and beard. A regular blade can't make contact with the skin, and we leave our sidelocks. If you've ever seen pictures of religious Jews, you'll notice the sidelocks. If you want a more in depth explanation, I'll bring sources.
 
Before I reply to your post, I would appreciate knowing whether you read everything I wrote or just skimmed. I put in a lot of time in collecting all of the sources, and your reply seems to suggest that you didn't read it thoroughly. If I'm wrong, I'd be happy to know and of course I will apologize.

Okay. I already explained to you why quoting the NT to me is meaningless, because it's filled with hatred for my people. However, nonetheless I'll read what you've brought here.

I see you say that Satan will cause Israel to build the Temple - so you agree with those verses I brought from Revelation on the Jews being "of the synagogue of Satan"? Regrettable, and further weakens your argument. It's tough convincing someone to agree with you when you're calling them evil students of Satan. By the way, I once wrote a poem about the synagogue of Satan, if it interest you.

I'm now adding to the list of things you believe in, the possibility of near dualism, in which a lesser angel - Satan - has the ability to rebel against god and control the forces of evil against god's will. This is also a pagan idea according to Judaism. I'm on my phone now, so bringing verses will be hard, but I'll bring verses about this later, if you want.

That quote from Corinthians doesn't say much of anything relevant to my post.
I’m saying the temple will be built for noble purpose and Satan will set himself up in that temple, he will try to deceive, which he always does. Jews will reject him and see the deception.
 
I'm from the Synagogue of Satan, apparently. We just use our fire powers to burn our hair away.

Okay, I'm kidding. Jewish law defines how to properly trim our hair and beard. A regular blade can't make contact with the skin, and we leave our sidelocks. If you've ever seen pictures of religious Jews, you'll notice the sidelocks. If you want a more in depth explanation, I'll bring sources.
Not important but didn’t see using a razor per se is bad especially in Numbers 6, the Nazarite vow, no razor to touch his head but after the vow is done make offerings and shave your head.
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
I’m saying the temple will be built for noble purpose and Satan will set himself up in that temple, he will try to deceive, which he always does. Jews will reject him and see the deception.
How so? Will we literally see Satan?
Anyway, still a non-Jewish idea. Near-dualism, as I said. It would be pure dualism, except I don't know what power level you're assigning to him. Is it god-level or less?
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
Not important but didn’t see using a razor per se is bad especially in Numbers 6, the Nazarite vow, no razor to touch his head but after the vow is done make offerings and shave your head.
Questions are always important. I hope your local religious leaders aren't of the type that shut down questions they don't have answers to. How would we learn and grow if we didn't ask questions?

Anyway, great question. As I'm on my phone, I'm unable to pull up all of the sources for you, but God-willing, will do that when I can.
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
I’m saying the temple will be built for noble purpose and Satan will set himself up in that temple
I don't know, I mean you wrote this: "As a matter of fact, Satans next attempt will be to help Israel build their Temple and will set himself up in it"

So if he succeeds in helping them build it and setting himself in it, that seems to suggest that the Temple would not have been built for noble purposes.
 
How so? Will we literally see Satan?
Anyway, still a non-Jewish idea. Near-dualism, as I said. It would be pure dualism, except I don't know what power level you're assigning to him. Is it god-level or less?
“Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
‭‭II Thessalonians‬ ‭2:1-12‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
“Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:11-18‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
I know you don’t accept the NT, but just sharing what I see and believe will happen.
 
I don't know, I mean you wrote this: "As a matter of fact, Satans next attempt will be to help Israel build their Temple and will set himself up in it"

So if he succeeds in helping them build it and setting himself in it, that seems to suggest that the Temple would not have been built for noble purposes.
I believe the Jews are in the process of building a temple right now, correct? Aren’t they getting everything prepared for that? For what reason? Isn’t that a noble reason?
The Antichrist will come in and make a covenant to help with that and he is deceptive in that covenant.
“He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. ””
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭9:27‬ ‭NIV‬‬
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
I believe the Jews are in the process of building a temple right now, correct? Aren’t they getting everything prepared for that? For what reason? Isn’t that a noble reason?
There is an organization getting things ready for the Temple, and there are some people working on things, but sadly I wouldn't say that the collective Jewish people are working towards it yet. 'sides, we need to remove Al-Aqsa first. But I appreciate that you view this as a noble cause. However, I simply don't understand. If it's noble, at what point does Satan appear and make it ignoble?
 
There is an organization getting things ready for the Temple, and there are some people working on things, but sadly I wouldn't say that the collective Jewish people are working towards it yet. 'sides, we need to remove Al-Aqsa first. But I appreciate that you view this as a noble cause. However, I simply don't understand. If it's noble, at what point does Satan appear and make it ignoble?
There is a problem because of the current situation and who has claims to the Temple Mount. I believe a leader will come and have the solution and make a covenant, pretending to be a friend of Israel, but inwardly deceptive. Will bring the covenant where others have failed enabling the Jews to have the Temple Mount and build the Temple.
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
There is a problem because of the current situation and who has claims to the Temple Mount. I believe a leader will come and have the solution and make a covenant, pretending to be a friend of Israel, but inwardly deceptive. Will bring the covenant where others have failed enabling the Jews to have the Temple Mount and build the Temple.
And why do you believe this?
 
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