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Deuteronomy 32:40-2: The Syzygy of God's Two Hands.

John D. Brey

John D. Brey

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John D. Brey said:
Jesus presents himself as the prophet Moses prophesied, and Messiah too. Jesus speaks prophetic utterance that Israel must listen to and obey (ala Moses commandment), and he reveals the meaning of the divine decrees given by Moses.

And yet Moses says that the test of this coming prophet, like the test of Messiah, is that he mustn't die. If he dies, his prophesies are lies.

Jesus dies. So apparently his prophesies, and his Messianic claims, die with him. . . . In Moses' parlance, case closed when the casket closes.
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. . . Which segues into the meat of this thread. Is death canceled out concerning the falseness of a prophet if he's resurrected out of the grave? In other words, Moses says if the prophet dies, he's not the prophet predicted, nor Messiah. Moses doesn't appear to give the extenuating circumstance that if a prophet is raised from the dead the previous disqualification is disqualified?

Rabbi Hirsch was quoted earlier in the thread (or a parallel thread) saying that anything not found in the Torah is smoke and mirror, lies, and falseness. Which is correct. Which means if there's no provision (in the Torah) for a resurrection rescinding the disqualification of a prophet's qualifications, then Jesus' claims to being the prophet, a prophet, let alone Messiah, go up in smoke. There must be a provision, in the Torah, for resurrection rescinding the disqualifications of a prophet when he dies or else Jesus is disqualified from being Messiah let alone a prophet.

The point is so important it must be emphasized: even if Jesus was resurrected from the dead, his messianic claims, and his right to sit on the throne of David as David's greater son are forfeited by his death unless resurrection is given as a exempting factor in the disqualification of a prophet given by Moses in the Torah. Israel's rejection of Jesus, even if he rose from the dead, is sound, and correct, unless an exception for disqualification of a prophet by death is given in the written Torah.

Should a knowledgeable Jewish person read the foregoing, it might be said that that's what the written Gittin (60b) is get'n at.



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Yahcubs777

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John D. Brey said:
I disagree that the text is speaking of Elijah. Elijah is a herald of the appearing of Messiah. John the Baptist was transformed into Elijah after the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. Prior to that, he would have been a false herald of Messiah. That's what his strange response was when asked if he was Elijah.

In my opinion, the prophet Moses prophesies coming is Messiah, whom you refer to as the Preeminence.



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So Elijah isn't transformed. Elijah is the actual persons Spirit Being. John the Baptist is an Elijah. There are three Elijahs. Elijah of Tishbe, Elijah John the Baptist, and Elijah Jude Alexander, who was called the Son of Man, the Spirit of truth, the 7th Angel of the 7th Church Age.

You said it yourself, Moses said that the Prophet to come after him did not die. Well Elijah of Tishbe, did he die? No. The Second Elijah John the Baptist did die, but that was because his neck satisified the law of justification from what Elijah of Tishbe did in beheaded the prophets of baal. And also because he was the forerunner for the Son of GOD Adam who was in the ghost world. This was revealed actually in the Allegory of Jonah and the whale. The Whale represented the ghost world. Thus, John was in three states, and these three states pointed to the three Elijah.
And all three Elijah are direct Proceeds from the Son of GOD Adam, in the Super-bio (which is the birth of all the children of the kingdom as Spirit children in the Fathers Bosom).

So the one Moses was talking about, is the Forerunner for Jesus His Pre-Eminence second coming, who will prepare a bride for HIM without spots (tares), Blemishes ( transgressions), Wrinkles (ageing). And will lead the bride into all truth. This is what Isaiah Prophesied in Isaiah 4:1
 
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Yahcubs777

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John D. Brey said:
Another what to come? The Church is awaiting the second coming.



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Who? The Person Prophesied to come to prepare the bride for HIS second coming. The person that will lead us into all truth, who will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of the children to the fathers, the person who will finish the mystery of GOD, that another voice from heaven saying Come out her my people that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that of her plagues.

I understand you are waiting, but you were told to watch, not wait. This is the person that HE said will speak only what he hears, and does not speka of himself and will lead us into all truth.

And if that isn't enough.... Who is the foerunner for HIS second coming?
 
John D. Brey

John D. Brey

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Yahcubs777 said:
So Elijah isn't transformed. Elijah is the actual persons Spirit Being. John the Baptist is an Elijah. There are three Elijahs. Elijah of Tishbe, Elijah John the Baptist, and Elijah Jude Alexander, who was called the Son of Man, the Spirit of truth, the 7th Angel of the 7th Church Age.

You said it yourself, Moses said that the Prophet to come after him did not die. Well Elijah of Tishbe, did he die? No. The Second Elijah John the Baptist did die, but that was because his neck satisified the law of justification from what Elijah of Tishbe did in beheaded the prophets of baal. And also because he was the forerunner for the Son of GOD Adam who was in the ghost world. This was revealed actually in the Allegory of Jonah and the whale. The Whale represented the ghost world. Thus, John was in three states, and these three states pointed to the three Elijah.
And all three Elijah are direct Proceeds from the Son of GOD Adam, in the Super-bio (which is the birth of all the children of the kingdom as Spirit children in the Fathers Bosom).

So the one Moses was talking about, is the Forerunner for Jesus His Pre-Eminence second coming, who will prepare a bride for HIM without spots (tares), Blemishes ( transgressions), Wrinkles (ageing). And will lead the bride into all truth. This is what Isaiah Prophesied in Isaiah 4:1
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Who is Elijah Jude Alexander? I don't believe I've ever heard of him.



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John D. Brey

John D. Brey

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Yahcubs777 said:
Who? The Person Prophesied to come to prepare the bride for HIS second coming. The person that will lead us into all truth, who will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of the children to the fathers, the person who will finish the mystery of GOD, that another voice from heaven saying Come out her my people that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that of her plagues.
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There's a narrative in Revelation that implies Moses and Elijah will precede the return of Christ to earth. They, Moses and Elijah, will be slain and lay in the streets of Jerusalem for three days after which they rise from the dead authenticating all they previously said.



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John D. Brey

John D. Brey

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Yahcubs777 said:
Who? The Person Prophesied to come to prepare the bride for HIS second coming. The person that will lead us into all truth, who will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of the children to the fathers, the person who will finish the mystery of GOD, that another voice from heaven saying Come out her my people that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that of her plagues.

I understand you are waiting, but you were told to watch, not wait. This is the person that HE said will speak only what he hears, and does not speka of himself and will lead us into all truth.

And if that isn't enough.... Who is the foerunner for HIS second coming?
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. . . So you've found this person in the person of Elijah Jude Alexander?



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URAVIP2ME

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John D. Brey said:
God is quasi-ambidextrous. Though he writes with his left. And executes judgment with his left. The syzygy mentioned in the title of the thread regards the fact that understood in the context of the great Jewish sages of a more mystical bent, God's right hand (the one lifted and given everlasting life in Deuteronomy 32:40) is saying, after he says he has acquired everlasting life, that he then takes the left hand of God under his control, the judging hand of God, to slay the enemies he once saved (if I might paraphrase Ozzy Osborne's Iron Man):
For I lift my hand to heaven, and it says, "I live forever. If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me. I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh."John​
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Thank you for your reply.
I do not see the word ' right ' at Deut. 32:40 but just the word: hand.
I also see No mention of which hand in judgement at Exodus 7:5.
Nor mention of which hand at Ezra 8:22.
Any thoughts about Isaiah 25:10-11 ________________​
 
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Yahcubs777

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John D. Brey said:
There's a narrative in Revelation that implies Moses and Elijah will precede the return of Christ to earth. They, Moses and Elijah, will be slain and lay in the streets of Jerusalem for three days after which they rise from the dead authenticating all they previously said.



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Coded. Moses and Elijah are the Personification of the Law and the Prophets. That is why those two came to meet Jesus His Pre-Eminence and we're transfigured. They can't die anymore they are wearing their immortal celestial bodies now. It means that the testimonies of the law and Prophets lay in a dead state, until the Elijah that was called the Son of Man shall restore all things, as was revealed also in the parable of the good Samaritan, and in the fact that the Romans crucified the Word (Jesus His Pre-Eminence).
 
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Yahcubs777

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John D. Brey said:
. . . So you've found this person in the person of Elijah Jude Alexander?



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I have. It's not the kind of thing that is easily believed I understand. That is why his message reveals his identity. I can tell you who I have known him to be all I want, but it won't matter to you except you see it for yourself.

Such is the way these things are. Like the Samaritan woman went to tell the people she met a Prophet, and he told her all about her life. So they listened to HIM and they said; now we believe because we have heard HIM ourselves.
 
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Yahcubs777

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John D. Brey said:
. . . So he's like the biblical Elijah and the biblical John the Baptist: precursors to the appearing of Christ?



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I have identified him as that Elijah that will restore all things. He has revealed to me who the father's are, and also the plan of salvation in great details. Now I cannot be deceived anymore. Yes, that is who I received him as, Elijah.
 
John D. Brey

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Yahcubs777 said:
I have. It's not the kind of thing that is easily believed I understand. That is why his message reveals his identity. I can tell you who I have known him to be all I want, but it won't matter to you except you see it for yourself.

Such is the way these things are. Like the Samaritan woman went to tell the people she met a Prophet, and he told her all about her life. So they listened to HIM and they said; now we believe because we have heard HIM ourselves.
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Naturally I can't judge anyone I've not met. And he's clearly had a positive impact on you. So as the Apostle Paul implied, if Christ is being preached, amen.

On the other hand, if Elijah Jude Alexander is presenting himself as Christ, or as the equivalent of Christ, well, that's another matter entirely.



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Yahcubs777

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John D. Brey said:
Naturally I can't judge anyone I've not met. And he's clearly had a positive impact on you. So as the Apostle Paul implied, if Christ is being preached, amen.

On the other hand, if Elijah Jude Alexander is presenting himself as Christ, or as the equivalent of Christ, well, that's another matter entirely.



John
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His message is Gospel of Everlasting life (The Gospel of immortality + incorruptibility), which is founded upon the knowledge of the Son of GOD, Adam, his birth, his mission, and his exploits.. And the knowledge of Jesus His Pre-Eminence who is the GOD and father of Adam. Thus, he is bringing us to remeberance all that HE said.

So I explained this to show you what it truly means to turn the hearts of the children to the fathers.

The Son of GOD, Adam is the one to bring his children, the children of the kingdom to GOD. While the Son of Man, called that because he is the direct proceed from Father Adam in the super bio, is who will lead the children of the kingdom to the Son of GOD.

Thus, no man comes to the Father except through the Son. This is a law in the kingdom. And what will make you see it is true, is that if a grandfather never met their grandchild, he could walk past his grandchild in the street and wouldn't know it is them. Thus, the parents of the child is who brings the child to their parents.

Man is Adam, who was called Man by GOD. Therefore the Son of Man is the Son of Adam which are three, the three Elijah. Then there are the sons of the three Elijah which were 4 each, making 12 in total.. That 12 is the Apostles of the Lamb.

These are: Samson, Noah, Enoch, Abraham, Moses, David, Jephter, Zerubbabel, Joshua, Gideon, Samuel, Daniel. These 12 and their model types are the 24 elders written in the book of Revelation; the 12 Patriarchs of the 12 tribes of Israel, and their model types. Each one fathered a tribe. And that is what Israel being the nation of the children of the kingdom was pointing to.

Thus it is only these 12 that can lead you to the Elijah as they are the Sons of Elijah. Just as Moses preached of the one that will come after him to finish the job, it was Moses leading us to Elijah. And then there are the 144, which are the likes of Isaiah and Ezekiel and Jeremiah.

What I'm explaining here is this.: This is the Mankind Family Tree. And It is the Son that leads us to the father. Without the 12 Apostles of the Lamb, we could not have known Elijah at all. Without the Elijah we could not know the Son of GOD Adam, and without knowing the Son of GOD, we cannot truly know GOD.

And the only reason we can call GOD father at all, is because HIS son is our principal Ancestor. Angels, cherubim and Seraphim do not call GOD father. That is the reason the Law and the Prophets only referred to HIM as GOD not father. The knowledge of the Son of GOD did not come until Jesus His Pre-Eminence revealed it in the shoes of the Son of GOD.

So no, He does not preach equality with Christ at all. He has brought us to his father, Adam.
 
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John D. Brey

John D. Brey

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Yahcubs777 said:
On the other hand, if Elijah Jude Alexander is presenting himself as Christ, or as the equivalent of Christ, well, that's another matter entirely.​

His message is Gospel of Everlasting life (The Gospel of immortality + incorruptibility), which is founded upon the knowledge of the Son of GOD, Adam, his birth, his mission, and his exploits.. And the knowledge of Jesus His Pre-Eminence who is the GOD and father of Adam. Thus, he is bringing us to remeberance all that HE said.
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As penned, the penultimate word in your statement above appears to refer to Elijah Jude Alexander?



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John D. Brey

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URAVIP2ME said:

Thank you for your reply.
I do not see the word ' right ' at Deut. 32:40 but just the word: hand.​
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The word at Deuteronomy 32:40 is the word "hand" יד in the singular. This seems to imply it's one hand or the other and not both. A perusal of the nearly 2000 times the word "hand" is used in the scripture tends to suggest that there's a fairly clear and meaningful distinction between when the right hand is spoken of versus when the left hand is spoken of. One might even go so far as to suggest that God expects the hearer of certain statements to know which hand is in the cross-hairs. And that might be particularly so when cross hairs, cross beams, and or cross members, appear to be in the hand in question.

According to thy name, O God, so is thy praise unto the ends of the earth: Thy right hand is full of righteousness.

Psalms 48:10

That thy beloved may be delivered; Save with they right hand and hear me.

Psalms 60:5.

Why withdrawest thou thy hand, even thy right hand? Pluck it out of thy
bosom.

Psalms 74:11.

Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, Upon the son of man whom though madest strong for thyself.

Psalms 80:17.

Thou hast a mighty arm: strong is thy hand, and high is thy right hand.

Psalms 89:13.
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Personally, I'd be inclined to connect Deuteronomy 32:40 with Psalms 80:17 and take whatever consequences might come from using scripture to interpret scripture:

For I lift up my right hand, which is upon the son of man, and I lift it, him, all the way to heaven, thereby, through resurrection, making him so strong he can never again die.​



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Yahcubs777

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John D. Brey said:
The word at Deuteronomy 32:40 is the word "hand" יד in the singular. This seems to imply it's one hand or the other and not both. A perusal of the nearly 2000 times the word "hand" is used in the scripture tends to suggest that there's a fairly clear and meaningful distinction between when the right hand is spoken of versus when the left hand is spoken of. One might even go so far as to suggest that God expects the hearer of certain statements to know which hand is in the cross-hairs. And that might be particularly so when cross hairs, cross beams, and or cross members, appear to be in the hand in question.

According to thy name, O God, so is thy praise unto the ends of the earth: Thy right hand is full of righteousness.

Psalms 48:10

That thy beloved may be delivered; Save with they right hand and hear me.

Psalms 60:5.

Why withdrawest thou thy hand, even thy right hand? Pluck it out of thy
bosom.

Psalms 74:11.

Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, Upon the son of man whom though madest strong for thyself.

Psalms 80:17.

Thou hast a mighty arm: strong is thy hand, and high is thy right hand.

Psalms 89:13.
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Personally, I'd be inclined to connect Deuteronomy 32:40 with Psalms 80:17 and take whatever consequences might come from using scripture to interpret scripture:

For I lift up my right hand, which is upon the son of man, and I lift it, him, all the way to heaven, thereby, through resurrection, making him so strong he can never again die.​



John
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Why did you add the word resurrection here when its in neither of these two verses?
 
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Yahcubs777

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John D. Brey said:
. . . Nevertheless, even a casual reader might be intrigued by your capitalization of the personal pronoun used, apparently, to speak of Elijah Jude Alexander.




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No, that is speaking of GOD. That Elijah (he) is bringing to rememberance all that Jesus His Pre-Eminence (HE) said.
 
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