firedragon
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Marcion was a man who had money. according to Caspar Rene Gregory, was "in every way the most active and influential man, bearing the name of Christian, between Paul and Origen." As you as a reader probably would know Marcion could not reconcile between the God of the New Testament (The smaller canon he had, not the current canon) and the God of the "Old Testament" what ever the OT canon he had.
He thought that the OT God was a vengeful, wrathful and murderous God, while the God of the NT is a loving and merciful God. They cannot be reconciled. Thus, he had his eureka moment and decided "they are two Gods". Some of his well known followers like Apelles said the second God or Deus Secondus was a helping angel. This is all because they simply could not reconcile the two.
Of course he was called a Heretic which is obviously expected, but being called a heretic, does that mean you are I have a right to say "he is no Christian"? He was called the First born Satan. But hey, even Arias was called a heretic. The Arian concept became Arian heresy.
Catholics with a large canon of the Bible, and the belief that Mary was Theotokos, and that Pope is the Vicar of Christ, and that science of authenticating a saint is valid, etc, are now called "Not Christian". But strangely I have not really come across too many Catholics making such claims about others though their number is bigger. Maybe their evangelism is not that hammered into adherents so that they are more silent than protestants. For what ever reason, can you play God and say they are not Christian?
Was Arias not Christian because of the difference in his theology? Does not he have a right to call himself what he wishes?
I opened this thread because this very topic came up in another conversation as an example. But I would like to get some exchanges.
He thought that the OT God was a vengeful, wrathful and murderous God, while the God of the NT is a loving and merciful God. They cannot be reconciled. Thus, he had his eureka moment and decided "they are two Gods". Some of his well known followers like Apelles said the second God or Deus Secondus was a helping angel. This is all because they simply could not reconcile the two.
Of course he was called a Heretic which is obviously expected, but being called a heretic, does that mean you are I have a right to say "he is no Christian"? He was called the First born Satan. But hey, even Arias was called a heretic. The Arian concept became Arian heresy.
Catholics with a large canon of the Bible, and the belief that Mary was Theotokos, and that Pope is the Vicar of Christ, and that science of authenticating a saint is valid, etc, are now called "Not Christian". But strangely I have not really come across too many Catholics making such claims about others though their number is bigger. Maybe their evangelism is not that hammered into adherents so that they are more silent than protestants. For what ever reason, can you play God and say they are not Christian?
Was Arias not Christian because of the difference in his theology? Does not he have a right to call himself what he wishes?
I opened this thread because this very topic came up in another conversation as an example. But I would like to get some exchanges.