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sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
if we dont go to that channel that Jesus is using we will be in the dark in a spiritual way
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Have you ever stopped to consider that Jesus may be on network, and not just cable access?
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
doppelgänger said:
Is the theology of Judaism older than that of Christianity?
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Not as it exists today. Judaism today is a different animal than the Judaism of Jesus' time. It changed drastically when the Temple was destroyed in 70 c.e. That event almost destroyed Judaism itself. If it hadn't been for a plucky remnant of Pharisees, who changed the focus from Temple to synaguge worship, Judaism might not have survived. In fact, the Jewish canon of scripture is newer than the Christian canon of scripture.

The theology of ancient Judaism exists only as the "root" of both Christianity and modern Judaism.
 
doppelganger

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
sojourner said:
Not as it exists today. Judaism today is a different animal than the Judaism of Jesus' time. It changed drastically when the Temple was destroyed in 70 c.e. That event almost destroyed Judaism itself. If it hadn't been for a plucky remnant of Pharisees, who changed the focus from Temple to synaguge worship, Judaism might not have survived. In fact, the Jewish canon of scripture is newer than the Christian canon of scripture.

The theology of ancient Judaism exists only as the "root" of both Christianity and modern Judaism.
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So doctrines can change?
 
doppelganger

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
Sojourner:

What do you think of the following, by Albert Einstein, from his speech about Science and Religion:
The religious geniuses of all ages have been distinguished by this kind of religious feeling, which knows no dogma and no God conceived in man's image; so that there can be no church whose central teachings are based on it. Hence it is precisely among the heretics of every age that we find men who were filled with this highest kind of religious feeling and were in many cases regarded by their contemporaries as atheists, sometimes also as saints. Looked at in this light, men like Democritus, Francis of Assisi, and Spinoza are closely akin to one another.

How can cosmic religious feeling be communicated from one person to another, if it can give rise to no definite notion of a God and no theology? In my view, it is the most important function of art and science to awaken this feeling and keep it alive in those who are receptive to it.
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may

Well-Known Member
Hope said:
Why do you believe Jesus (I'm assuming you mean, in the flesh) will never come back to the earth? What are your Scriptures to support this belief? How do JWs interpret Revelations, where it seems pretty clear God means to destroy the earth as we know it, not just its "systems"? How is a "new heaven" and a "new earth" interpreted in this light?
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The Bible, says that Christ returns in glory with all the angels, and that he sits "down on his glorious throne." (Matthew 25:31) If Jesus were to come and sit as a man on an earthly throne, he would be lower in station than the angels. But he comes as the mightiest and most glorious of all these spirit sons of God and is therefore invisible, just as they are.—Philippians 2:8-11.
Jesus said to his apostles: "A little longer and the world will behold me no more." (John 14:19)
How, then, are we to understand the words of Revelation 1:7? There the apostle John writes: "Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him." Here the Bible speaks of seeing, not with physical eyes, but in the sense of discerning or perceiving. Thus, when a person comprehends or understands a matter, he may say, ‘I see it.’ The Bible, in fact, speaks of "the eyes of your understanding." (Ephesians 1:18, King James Version) So the expression "every eye will see him" means that everyone will then understand or recognize that Christ is present.
But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.2 peter 3;13 the heavens are new rulership, the new earth is a new society of people , and they are all working inline with Gods purpose for the earth , and that is why righteousness will dwell in the earth . which makes me think of psalm 37;29

The righteous themselves will possess the earth,​

And they will reside forever upon it.................... so the heavens or rulerships of man will come to there end , and the new rulership of God will be the rulership to look too,Daniel 2;44
 
painted wolf

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
we were told we'd get North America back... we don't want the whole thing, just what was given to us by creator. :D
With faith in Creator we would survive to see that day, and so far its been working. ;)

wa:do
 
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may

Well-Known Member
painted wolf said:
we were told we'd get North America back... we don't want the whole thing, just what was given to us by creator. :D
With faith in Creator we would survive to see that day, and so far its been working. ;)

wa:do
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psalm 37;29
The righteous themselves will possess the earth,​
And they will reside forever upon it.
 
standing_on_one_foot

standing_on_one_foot

Well-Known Member
doppelgänger said:
So doctrines can change?
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Certainly doctrines change. All of them do. Sometimes for the better, one likes to think. I would worry for a religion that cannot change, because that would seem to involve an inability of people to question their relationship with the holy, to examine their beliefs, to respond to the world. I would also worry for a religion that changes too easily, of course. Like everything, there is a balance. But still. Doctrines change. I do not think human understanding is so perfect that it need remain as it is now forever.

Anyhow, I've always rather liked that someone had the bright idea that sacrifice could be replaced with prayer, study, and acts of loving kindness, when sacrifice became impossible. Not a bad way to cope, all things considered.
 
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Navigator

Member
standing_on_one_foot said:
Certainly doctrines change. All of them do. Sometimes for the better, one likes to think. I would worry for a religion that cannot change, because that would seem to involve an inability of people to question their relationship with the holy, to examine their beliefs, to respond to the world. I would also worry for a religion that changes too easily, of course. Like everything, there is a balance. But still. Doctrines change. I do not think human understanding is so perfect that it need remain as it is now forever.

Anyhow, I've always rather liked that someone had the bright idea that sacrifice could be replaced with prayer, study, and acts of loving kindness, when sacrifice became impossible. Not a bad way to cope, all things considered.
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I agree.:yes:
If you really want to look at religion under a microscope, nobody believes exactly the same thing, we are all unique, special. Some will choose to be more loving and some will choose more hate.
 
s2a

s2a

Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
may said:
GOODNEWS, the established heavenly kingdom goverment ...Daniel 2;44...was set up in line with bible prophecy and chronology in 1914 and that was the year that Jesus was given the kingship of this heavenly kingdom Daniel 7;13-14 its all happening in this time of the end .the end of man ruling himself independent of God ,soon this heavenly kingdom will take over manmade rulerships. but those who are in opposition to Jesus and his kingship, will not like to give up their rulerships. but guess who will win the battle ........JESUS... i am making known about this established heavenly kingdom so that it can be heralded throughout the earth ......And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14 not the end of the planet, but the end of manmade goverments and rulerships.people have to know about this goodnews , so that they can put themselves on the side of Jesus and the heavenly kingdom of God.................it is for a witness.................
(Mark 13:10) Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first.
(Revelation 14:6) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people,....................i have put my vote in for the heavenly kingdom goverment with Jesus as the king . because it leads to everlasting life . have you put your vote in?
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Um...OK.

Is there an introduced premise to be debated here?

I might counter your OP with a quote from Thomas Edison, who said:

"Religion is bunk."

Now what?
 
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Navigator

Member
s2a said:
Um...OK.

Is there an introduced premise to be debated here?

I might counter your OP with a quote from Thomas Edison, who said:

"Religion is bunk."

Now what?
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I can think of many reasons to take Jesus word over T. Edison.
 
XAAX

XAAX

Active Member
may said:

The Bible, says that Christ returns in glory with all the angels, and that he sits "down on his glorious throne." (Matthew 25:31) If Jesus were to come and sit as a man on an earthly throne, he would be lower in station than the angels. But he comes as the mightiest and most glorious of all these spirit sons of God and is therefore invisible, just as they are.—Philippians 2:8-11.
Jesus said to his apostles: "A little longer and the world will behold me no more." (John 14:19)
How, then, are we to understand the words of Revelation 1:7? There the apostle John writes: "Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him." Here the Bible speaks of seeing, not with physical eyes, but in the sense of discerning or perceiving. Thus, when a person comprehends or understands a matter, he may say, ‘I see it.’ The Bible, in fact, speaks of "the eyes of your understanding." (Ephesians 1:18, King James Version) So the expression "every eye will see him" means that everyone will then understand or recognize that Christ is present.
But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.2 peter 3;13 the heavens are new rulership, the new earth is a new society of people , and they are all working inline with Gods purpose for the earth , and that is why righteousness will dwell in the earth . which makes me think of psalm 37;29


The righteous themselves will possess the earth,​


And they will reside forever upon it.................... so the heavens or rulerships of man will come to there end , and the new rulership of God will be the rulership to look too,Daniel 2;44
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Ok, here I go again but oh well, I think it has merit. You are the type of people that truly turn me into someone who is completely intolerable. You don’t have a point unless you quote something from the Christian bible or your pamphlet. Really, if you have something valid to say versus spouting off a bunch of crap that I and a lot of another have already read. We get it, you can read and use a table of contents. Sorry to be rude but I have read like 30 posts from you and have yet to hear one point that is your own. It is ok to think for yourself. Well, I know little of Jehovah Witnesses other than they wear silly matching outfits and come to my door to annoy me by peddling there drivel at my doorstep. Its like door to door salesmen getting their quota for the afterlife. Does posting all the scripture quotes get you brownie points? If not, what is the draw for you?:slap:
 
doppelganger

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
standing_on_one_foot said:
Certainly doctrines change. All of them do. Sometimes for the better, one likes to think. I would worry for a religion that cannot change, because that would seem to involve an inability of people to question their relationship with the holy, to examine their beliefs, to respond to the world. I would also worry for a religion that changes too easily, of course. Like everything, there is a balance. But still. Doctrines change. I do not think human understanding is so perfect that it need remain as it is now forever.
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But all change is heresy.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
doppelgänger said:
Sojourner:

What do you think of the following, by Albert Einstein, from his speech about Science and Religion:
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Albert Einstein here is buying into the Great American Religious Psychosis which tells us that God can only be experienced when we are "alone together" with God. It's gnostic in its premise. Erecting a logical line of thought from this premise produces what we read here. If one happens to be gnostic, this statement makes perfect sense. If one is not gnostic, it doesn't make sense.
 
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