Christians! Do you despise Abominations? There's only one left to hate....which?

oldbadger said:

Leviticus {11:13} And these [are they which ye] shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they [are] an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray, {11:14} And the vulture, and the kite after his kind; {11:15} Every raven after his kind; {11:16} And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind, {11:17} And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl, {11:18} And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle, {11:19} And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat. {11:20} All fowls that creep, going upon [all] four, [shall be] an abomination unto you.

Now does anybody want a bat sandwich after this past year's news? Anybody? See why these creatures are abominations? But if you do eat a bat sandwich you still won't go to hell, although you could catch a sickness.
Sin leads to .............. sickness!

Swans ......... I can tell you that all water fowl were dangerous to eat in past times. I seem to remember that the duck was the symbol for death in Egypt, back then. Typhoid 'n' stuff! But modern cooking appliances do reduce any such risks to a mere nothing by comparison although swan hunting is banned in the UK unless the Queen wants to eat one.

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God was pretty wise... wasn't He? Today we do have a bat Covid.

New Testament approach:

Is not life more important than body? Isn't eternal more important than temporal?

16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

KenS said:

??? Sure don't know how we got to point "Z". Did I say we excuse bad behavior?

We have two commands.... love God with all of your heart, all your soul, all of your mind and strength -- and love your neighbor as yourself.

Where does bad behavior fit in that?

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There are over 1000 rules and laws for Christians in the NT.
But if any quote OT laws in future I will refer them to you.

In food.. yes Aren't you glad you can now eat bat?

No... I said we "SANCTIFY" abominations. How you do that depends on which ABOMINATION you would like to focus on.

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Now where did Jesus tell you that?

KenS said:

Not if you love God with all of your heart, all of your soul, all of your mind and all of your strength. If you love God, you adjust your choices. And that includes swapping spouses and all the free sex. And not to diminish lustful eyes.

So, if you love God with all of your heart those other things seem to vanish away.

That isn't a Mosaic law application... it is the law of love as established in Genesis. A man is made for a woman and a woman for a man. We are sanctified by giving our lives to God and letting His Word cleanse our ways. His blood and the Cross brought forgiveness so that mercy rejoices over judgment.

So mercy rejoiced over the judgment by providing an answer instead of point to all the failures.

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And where did Jesus tell you that lot?
And now you're quoting Genesis law.

Many churches who love your God ordain gays now, so ..... ?

The 'gay law' was only there because children were needed for future population size, and closed couples were all this hetero.

Today children are not desperately needed, so any closed couples are fine.

pcarl said:

But there was 'church', consisting of Jews, before Paul came on the scene and included gentiles. There are as many opinions on Pauline theology as there are scholars who debate it.

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Sure, and I don't think they reflect what Jesus intended.

pcarl said:

Only the first three are really unique to God, the rest are necessary for the survival of the community.

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I think all were about the survival of the community. But today some could be ignored for medical, technological reasons.

KenS said:

Please wash your hands or use a disinfectant. Have you asked our Jewish friends yet?

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Hygiene and cleanliness for sure.
Jewish members can post of they want to help.

oldbadger said:

Yet more Abominations! The Leviticus conclusion....... Luvly!

Leviticus {20:25} Ye shall therefore put difference between clean beasts and unclean, and between unclean fowls and clean: and ye shall not make your souls abominable by beast, or by fowl, or by any manner of living thing that creepeth on the ground, which I have separated from you as unclean. {20:26} And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD [am] holy, and have severed you from [other] people, that ye should be mine.

Abominable meant weakness, sickness, loss of security for the people. So let's not start moaning on about morals please, because that is simply nonsense. This was all about being the safest, most powerful people around.

And now for Deuteronomy.......... coming up....

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Have you talked to our Jewish brothers yet? Remember, this Mosaic law isn't the New Testament.

I think the issue here was "And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD [am] holy, and have severed you from [other] people, that ye should be mine."

The New Testament Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

We are in a new Kingdom with a new King and a different set of rules based on love. Noticed that it was God who madde us His and separated us from our old way of living.

He made us a "a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;"

So this NT with New Laws is just remembering that when we are "weak", He makes us strong. When we are in "sickness", He is our healer. When we are at a "loss for security", He is our Peace. Morals simply follow who you are and who you serve and He is our fountain of possibilities.

In reality, it isn't about pointing the finger at faults of other people because we all have them. It is about Psalm 121:1
I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help and for each of us to "first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly"

KenS said:

So, pray with thanksgiving and know that eating raw fish can be dangerous.

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I don't pray, Ken. But I do contemplate.

You can eat scaled fish raw, some cultures love fish like raw herring. But bottom feeders should be cooked. )

KenS said:

God was pretty wise... wasn't He? Today we do have a bat Covid.

New Testament approach:

Is not life more important than body? Isn't eternal more important than temporal?

16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

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When Jesus healed folks he often told them not to sin any more.

Sin leads to do sickness. There are no exceptions.

oldbadger said:

There are over 1000 rules and laws for Christians in the NT.
But if any quote OT laws in future I will refer them to you.

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I don't think I would call them "laws". There are two "laws". Love God and love your neighbor. 7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

However, living it out can be expressed in a thousand different applications (not to mention I don't know the 1000 rules you are talking about).

oldbadger said:

Now where did Jesus tell you that?

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Sanctification is setting apart for God's use. Mark 1:14 Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, - One is part of the Kingdom when one "sanctified" (set apart for God's use) when one gives his/her life to the sanctifier--Jesus.

1 Corinthians 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

oldbadger said:

I don't pray, Ken. But I do contemplate.

You can eat scaled fish raw, some cultures love fish like raw herring. But bottom feeders should be cooked. )

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Ohhhh yea! Bring on the sushi!

KenS said:

Have you talked to our Jewish brothers yet? Remember, this Mosaic law isn't the New Testament.

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Mosaic law is straightforward ....
Don't you think?

The New Testament Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

We are in a new Kingdom with a new King and a different set of rules based on love. Noticed that it was God who madde us His and separated us from our old way of living.

He made us a "a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;"

So this NT with New Laws is just remembering that when we are "weak", He makes us strong. When we are in "sickness", He is our healer. When we are at a "loss for security", He is our Peace. Morals simply follow who you are and who you serve and He is our fountain of possibilities.

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And none of that came from Jesus.

In reality, it isn't about pointing the finger at faults of other people because we all have them. It is about Psalm 121:1
I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help and for each of us to "first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly"

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I'll be reminding a few Christians about that when they rant about how other people live and love.

KenS said:

Ohhhh yea! Bring on the sushi!

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I used to fish for herring a long time ago. We would eat them straight out of the nets.

But I don't eat oysters uncooked. I still collect those from the foreshore.

oldbadger said:

When Jesus healed folks he often told them not to sin any more.

Sin leads to do sickness. There are no exceptions.

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That is a natural cause and effect. Some diseases are caused by sin (missing the mark). Many STD's can proliferate when we miss God's mark.

Doesn't change His love for us but it does cause a lot of pain.

oldbadger said:

Mosaic law is straightforward ....
Don't you think?

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One would think and yet the extensive Talmud is the Jewish people attempt to decipher and apply it. I think the NT is pretty straightforward. Love God--Love you neighbor. LOL... but we can write volumes on how to apply it.

oldbadger said:

Ken "The New Testament Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

We are in a new Kingdom with a new King and a different set of rules based on love. Noticed that it was God who madde us His and separated us from our old way of living.

He made us a "a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;"

So this NT with New Laws is just remembering that when we are "weak", He makes us strong. When we are in "sickness", He is our healer. When we are at a "loss for security", He is our Peace. Morals simply follow who you are and who you serve and He is our fountain of possibilities."


And none of that came from Jesus.

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Actually, it did come from Jesus. It is imbedded in the word TaNaKh. Jesus is The Word. He did preach about the Kingdom as God designed it in Genesis.

oldbadger said:

I'll be reminding a few Christians about that when they rant about how other people live and love.

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You should!!!!!!

oldbadger said:

I used to fish for herring a long time ago. We would eat them straight out of the nets.

But I don't eat oysters uncooked. I still collect those from the foreshore.

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I had eaten raw oyster with lemon BEFORE my eyes were open. I was blind but now I see

oldbadger said:

I know that Jesus was! And the Baptist..... actions speak louder even than words.

Yes he did. So he wanted ALL the laws to be kept whilst totally dismissing the corrupt Temple practices and the whole fat, greedy corrupted Priesthood.

Get it?

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Jesus in Matthew did not "totally dismiss" the priesthood, he simply criticized their hypocrisy. His attitude was, "Do as they say, not as they do."

"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 'The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat; therefore, do whatever they teach you and follow it; but do not do as they do, for they do not practice what they teach.' " Matthew 23

"Get it?"

KenS said:

I don't think I would call them "laws". There are two "laws". Love God and love your neighbor. 7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

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Where did you quote that verse from?
You didn't get that from Jesus, I'm guessing.

However, living it out can be expressed in a thousand different applications (not to mention I don't know the 1000 rules you are talking about).

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Ken,
You must know the rules and laws of the NT. They are written down for you ......

Sanctification is setting apart for God's use. Mark 1:14 Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
One is part of the Kingdom when one "sanctified" (set apart for God's use) when one gives his/her life to the sanctifier--Jesus.

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Ken .... Jesus preached his campaign concerning the kingdom of the Jews. They were supporting the working Jews who were getting ripped off by the priesthood.

1 Corinthians 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

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Paul's spin, imo.

KenS said:

That is a natural cause and effect. Some diseases are caused by sin (missing the mark). Many STD's can proliferate when we miss God's mark.

Doesn't change His love for us but it does cause a lot of pain.

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Everything that Jesus spoke about was natural cause and effect.

No sicknesses including STDs can occur because I miss your Gods mark. I've missed your Gods mark for over 50 years, but that isn't why I have had illnesses, or poor eyesight, or BP.

KenS said:

One would think and yet the extensive Talmud is the Jewish people attempt to decipher and apply it. I think the NT is pretty straightforward. Love God--Love you neighbor. LOL... but we can write volumes on how to apply it.

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No Ken.
A law to build a parapet around your flat roof is simply that, it will protect from injury sickness. See ? Every rule is as straight as that.

Actually, it did come from Jesus. It is imbedded in the word TaNaKh. Jesus is The Word. He did preach about the Kingdom as God designed it in Genesis.

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Let's stick to what Jesus the person said and did, can we?

You should!!!!!!

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Maybe I could ask you to comment on such claims when I see them. ??