Favourite Atheist arguments

TagliatelliMonster · Mar 17, 2021

MonkeyFire said:
if you believe, or if you are omniscient you don’t require evidence, you don’t have reliance’s.

You do, if you care about being rationally justified in your beliefs.

I care. Apparently, you don't.

TagliatelliMonster · Mar 17, 2021

Skeezy said:
I like how I basically said dont knock it till you actually check it out and you didnt check it out knocked it and just made an assumption

It comes on
fridays and sundays at 10pm

Here an example of one of the videos though once they appear on the show the videos are much harder to find. Heres a ling to an example. This is definitely not lense flare. Dont assume anything

Also the video is at the top of the page and may appear broken link at first but click it and it still works

https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/160...ing-plates-and-slamming-drawers-in-a-kitchen/

I again say watchthe show then judge

You realize that this is a TV SHOW, right?

TagliatelliMonster · Mar 17, 2021

Skeezy said:
Is the washington post and the navy a reliable source?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...os-are-real-navy-says-please-stop-saying-ufo/

You can watch the show or you can keep your head in the sand? Blue pill or red pill?. Its not my job to show you reality. And again your denying sources while never having watched the show lol

Such shows are a dime a dozen. They aren't exactly rare.
They are shown on the discovery channel and national geographic all the time.

The quality of those channels has really taken a big hit this past decade, I must say.
Kind of like how "MTV", you know music television, is now all about "georgie shore" and other such **** programs of over the top dimwits who's claim to fame is being provocative and drunk.

Anyhow.......
If all you have are TV SHOWS, then you ain't got much.

TagliatelliMonster · Mar 17, 2021

Skeezy said:
You are a piece of work lol Ok so your not going to watch it. Head in sand, gotcha

So, do you believe anything and everything that is shown on TV shows, just by virtue of it being shown on a TV show?

Just wondering.

TagliatelliMonster · Mar 17, 2021

Mock Turtle said:
On the other hand, you might be just too gullible? So many cameras about now yet no really good shots of UFOs? Why so? Apart from the fact that is so easy now to fake such - as it is for so many of the other phenomena mentioned.

Indeed... I like what Neil deGrass Tyson once said on this topic....

He said that UFO sightings among amateur or professional astronomers is not higher then the rest of the population, eventhough they look up at the nightsky far more then anyone else. In fact, the rate by which such astronomers report UFO sightings is much lower then in the rest of the population. Why is that? Ow I dunno... maybe that is because those people actually understand what they are looking at?

Another funny thing he said on the topic is that UFO's are so easily and commonly faked... "Photoshop probably has an insert-UFO-button at this point."

Mock Turtle · Mar 17, 2021

TagliatelliMonster said:
Indeed... I like what Neil deGrass Tyson once said on this topic....

He said that UFO sightings among amateur or professional astronomers is not higher then the rest of the population, eventhough they look up at the nightsky far more then anyone else. In fact, the rate by which such astronomers report UFO sightings is much lower then in the rest of the population. Why is that? Ow I dunno... maybe that is because those people actually understand what they are looking at?

Another funny thing he said on the topic is that UFO's are so easily and commonly faked... "Photoshop probably has an insert-UFO-button at this point."

I think every mobile phone will have a 'UFO hovering behind one's head' app quite soon (for selfies), if not available already.

TagliatelliMonster · Mar 17, 2021

Skeezy said:
Im not the one that wants proof.

You can say that again.

People say god exists some people say god doesnt exist. Perception of wether he exists or not is exactly that. For example life itself could be considered proof of god.

Sure. And a pencil can be considered proof of pending alien invasion.
It wouldn't make it proof of such, but it can certainly be considered that.

Anything can be considered to be proof of anything, if one is going to allow for making bare statements without caring about actually supporting them.

I have no burden a proof

Every claim has a burden of proof.

I simply offered a venue for you to find proof. Seasons 1 &2.

TV shows aren't evidence of anything except screen plays.

Since I have offered the burden of proof is no longer on me. You would have to actually watch the proof offered then make a decision.

A TV show is a bunch of people making claims. There is no proof or evidence there.

I cannot continue with my argument because I need opposition to actually see the collection of things captured by people which are unexplicable/paranormal instead of bickering over individual videos. The massive collection cannot all be found by searching the web. I'm not trying to prove to you any specific u.f.o.s are real. Im trying to show you that you need to put arrogance aside and just actually see the collection then make an informed decision on wether or not any of them are real. Instead of pre judging and making assumptions and being nit picky (couldnt think of a better word).

Here's a question?

Do you accept that at least some of these claims, including those that come with videos, are false?
If the answer is "yes", then here's a follow up question: how do you go about distinguishing the false ones from the accurate ones?

So far, your "evidence" seems to consist of nothing else but "the people on the show believe it, therefor I'll believe it too".

Your missng about 15 videos per episode, season is at least 10 episodes so your missing about 300 more videos many of which are of the same things captured in different Parts of the world.

All of which are part of a TV SHOW. A TV show isn't interested in truth as much as it is interesting in ratings, you know.

Here's a wise statement that a friend once told me: "Always remember, TV shows are MADE".

PS: that friend is a "reality TV" director. You can start by asking yourself why a reality tv show even requires a director.

TagliatelliMonster · Mar 17, 2021

Skeezy said:
I dont think you understand what this show has done.

I do. It managed to make people like you believe all those things are real. And it likely made a bundle while doing so.

Any seemingly real video evidence of paranormal things that you could ever scoure for is here. If you want to make general statements about paranormal videos you need to at least see the pinnacle of them. They are all in one place.

Throughout all of these posts none of you have observed the evidence.

You haven't posted any evidence.
You think you have, but you haven't.

Video's aren't evidence.

TagliatelliMonster · Mar 17, 2021

Mock Turtle said:
I can only claim one that bothers me, and which of course I leave open, and that is the JFK killing,

FYI, the most likely explanation that I've heard, is that this was a mafia hit by Cosa Nostra.

The Kennedy's and the italian mob were very closely linked in all sorts of ways.
Daddy Kennedy was a bootlegger and involved with the mob through that practice.
Then there's also Monroe who was sleeping with a Kennedy and with a mob boss.
JFK himself was helped into office by the mob through union votes, among other things.

So putting JFK in the White House was seen by the mob to be a window into the very heart of American authorities. They'ld help him take office and he'll return the favor during his presidency, sort of speaking.
But then JFK's brother turned on them and actively started pursuing the mob. This heavily angered them all and was seen as betrayal. And in that life, betrayal is a death sentence.

The commission met and the most powerful bosses attended. In that meeting, a contract was put on JFK's head.

This was in a period where the italian mob was extremely powerful in the US, with politicians, cops, feds, etc all in their back pocket.

Every single old timer, high ranking, mob guy that is still alive today, confirms this. Even though none of them were "in the loop" of the hit or part of it, they knew the links between cosa nostra and the kennedy's, they knew how the various families felt betrayed by the Kennedy's and they confirm the commission meeting where it was decided that JFK had to go. But they don't know to which crew the hit was given. But that there was a hit out, is near certain.

Google Michael Franzese and / or Salvatore Sammy "The Bull" Gravano, who both have spoken on the topic.
In fact, if memory serves me right, it was actually Michael Franzese's father, Sonny Franzese, who hooked up with Marilyn Monroe.

TagliatelliMonster · Mar 17, 2021

Skeezy said:
So you expect unexplained paranormal phenomena

I'll just say the obvious...............

If they are "unexplained", then why are you calling them "paranormal"?

Something you and the bulk of "scientific" people here cant quite seem to do yet have so much to say against

It's a TV SHOW

Mock Turtle · Mar 17, 2021

TagliatelliMonster said:
FYI, the most likely explanation that I've heard, is that this was a mafia hit by Cosa Nostra.

The Kennedy's and the italian mob were very closely linked in all sorts of ways.
Daddy Kennedy was a bootlegger and involved with the mob through that practice.
Then there's also Monroe who was sleeping with a Kennedy and with a mob boss.
JFK himself was helped into office by the mob through union votes, among other things.

So putting JFK in the White House was seen by the mob to be a window into the very heart of American authorities. They'ld help him take office and he'll return the favor during his presidency, sort of speaking.
But then JFK's brother turned on them and actively started pursuing the mob. This heavily angered them all and was seen as betrayal. And in that life, betrayal is a death sentence.

The commission met and the most powerful bosses attended. In that meeting, a contract was put on JFK's head.

This was in a period where the italian mob was extremely powerful in the US, with politicians, cops, feds, etc all in their back pocket.

Every single old timer, high ranking, mob guy that is still alive today, confirms this. Even though none of them were "in the loop" of the hit or part of it, they knew the links between cosa nostra and the kennedy's, they knew how the various families felt betrayed by the Kennedy's and they confirm the commission meeting where it was decided that JFK had to go. But they don't know to which crew the hit was given. But that there was a hit out, is near certain.

Google Michael Franzese and / or Salvatore Sammy "The Bull" Gravano, who both have spoken on the topic.
In fact, if memory serves me right, it was actually Michael Franzese's father, Sonny Franzese, who hooked up with Marilyn Monroe.

It seems there were so many who would have wanted him dead, and as you've pointed out with the mob connections, many who could have done so. I know the video of his head going back (last shot) has been explained away but it seems to me that a bullet from the front is more likely an explanation, and hence another shooter - and one being more accurate than coming from the rear - and hence being a professional. Plus of course the idiocy of Oswald being killed before coming to trial.

TagliatelliMonster · Mar 17, 2021

Mock Turtle said:
It seems there were so many who would have wanted him dead, and as you've pointed out with the mob connections, many who could have done so. I know the video of his head going back (last shot) has been explained away but it seems to me that a bullet from the front is more likely an explanation, and hence another shooter - and one being more accurate than coming from the rear - and hence being a professional. Plus of course the idiocy of Oswald being killed before coming to trial.

The guy that killed Oswald, was a mafia associate.

Mock Turtle · Mar 17, 2021

TagliatelliMonster said:
The guy that killed Oswald, was a mafia associate.

We can't complain about lack of information on this killing, but unfortunately so much of it is unprovable, even some of the original evidence. But this event has been the most significant in my life (as a shocker), discounting all the terrible ones where many more lives were lost, since I can still remember the Friday he died and the anger I felt even though it was in the USA. Nothing has come close in single death events really. Perhaps it was because he was so relatively young and full of promise, even if I would have no doubt been rather naive at the time (being 18) and not really knowing much about politics - and that hasn't changed much.

Skeezy · Mar 17, 2021

So far Im starting to see what kind of people Aethiests are (head in sand), and I might not find one to carry a decent informed conversation.

I do have a point to make, which is like step 5. I cant even get past step 1 because apparently aetheiests are know-it-alls who are too proud to actually look but it doesnt stop them from commenting. lol

1 month down I'll give it 11 more months for someone to actually look at the evidence and not just flaunt their dismissive bias.

"Ive never seen evidence of spirits".. thats because you have never looked at it.

Video, is not evidence is quite frankly the stupidest thing one could say. Wether its fake or real its evidence one way or another..

Please, if you dont think video evidence is evidence, steal something and when they catch you on camera tell the court, " video is not evidence. "

the people who say that are talking out of their ***

You can't just say, evidence is not evidence. Sorry, that doesnt count

*as an athiest*
Im just going to discredit all videos from around the world as not evidence without even looking at them cause ya know, Im atheist. Apparently we dont use facts to discredit things we just dont believe and thats that.

Nasa, astronimers, archeologists, alchemists, nature studies, pretty much all of science uses video. Whats mounted to space expiditions? A camera.

Saying video is not evidence is quite literally the dumbest thing one could say in this conversation

Skeezy · Mar 17, 2021

TagliatelliMonster said:
Such shows are a dime a dozen. They aren't exactly rare.
They are shown on the discovery channel and national geographic all the time.

The quality of those channels has really taken a big hit this past decade, I must say.
Kind of like how "MTV", you know music television, is now all about "georgie shore" and other such **** programs of over the top dimwits who's claim to fame is being provocative and drunk.

Anyhow.......
If all you have are TV SHOWS, then you ain't got much.

Im not answering majority of your questions because...

1 its an insult to my intelligence.

2. Saying screenplay means you have not watched the show. Its obviously not formatted that way. Its civilian videos given in dramatic presentation. I doubt the civilians wrote screenplays for these as again this is not a ghost hunter show.

Watch the friggin show dude

Also if you did not know majority of tv is fake but it is also the fastest way to display information to a broad spectrum of people.

Did you know some stuff on Tv is real? ...Shocking

Its like before tv radio was the best way to reach a broad number of people. Some shows were fake some were real.

I dont believe in media hearding "TV programming" (news, government, basically all around nationalism, and american history). I'm also more inclined to believe amature footage like on this show rather than on produced ghost hunter shows...

does that answer float your boat so you can stop asking me silly questions?

MonkeyFire · Mar 17, 2021

TagliatelliMonster said:
You do, if you care about being rationally justified in your beliefs.

I care. Apparently, you don't.

maybe I’m religious, and I am protected by the first amendment, I don’t apply to your thing. Maybe you’re the careless one.

MonkeyFire · Mar 17, 2021

TagliatelliMonster said:
How can it ever be "stupid" to not believe something because it isn't sufficiently demonstrated to warrant believing it?

You don’t have to, but I can.

Willamena · Mar 17, 2021

tarasan said:
I remember loving arguments and apologetics when I was a teenager/young adult (32 now haven't been young for a while .)

So I was curious what do atheists think is there most convincing argument against God?

That God exists.

I mean, obviously God does/doesn't either/neither exist nor not exist. If it's really God.

TagliatelliMonster · Mar 18, 2021

Skeezy said:
Watch the friggin show dude

Been there, done that.

Also if you did not know majority of tv is fake but it is also the fastest way to display information to a broad spectrum of people.

Did you know some stuff on Tv is real? ...Shocking

So how have you determined that this show is believable while others aren't?

Its like before tv radio was the best way to reach a broad number of people. Some shows were fake some were real.

And you tell the difference, how?

I dont believe in media hearding "TV programming" (news, government, basically all around nationalism, and american history). I'm also more inclined to believe amature footage like on this show rather than on produced ghost hunter shows...

does that answer float your boat so you can stop asking me silly questions?

This answer tells me something about critical thinking skills (or lack thereof), your gullibility and your confirmation bias.

TagliatelliMonster · Mar 18, 2021

MonkeyFire said:
maybe I’m religious, and I am protected by the first amendment, I don’t apply to your thing. Maybe you’re the careless one.

You make no sense, that's completely besides the point.

Yes, the constitution allows you to believe whatever for bad reasons. That's not what my point is about.

My point concerns caring about being rationally justified in beliefs or not.

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