stvdv
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Are religious leaders today afraid of esoteric teachings?
1) The religious esoteric leaders are not afraid of esoteric teachings
2) These Teachings are called "hidden" for a reason
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Are religious leaders today afraid of esoteric teachings?
- Thread starter Spirit of Light
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1) The religious esoteric leaders are not afraid of esoteric teachings
2) These Teachings are called "hidden" for a reason
My religion is esoteric, so the leaders most certainly aren't afraid of it. They practice it at a much higher level than regular folk.
Spirit of Light
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No not affected by it
if someone make a critique of him or the teaching he just smile
Spirit of Light
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I know the teacher who teach within esoteric path is not afraid
Mainstream belief and teacher maybe are..
stvdv
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IF a spiritual teacher is afraid THEN I would not call that a spiritual teacherI know the teacher who teach within esoteric path is not afraid
Mainstream belief and teacher maybe are..
My own esoteric path was persecuted in the past, this came mostly from political opposition but also from diverse orthodox religious sides.I know the teacher who teach within esoteric path is not afraid
Mainstream belief and teacher maybe are..
I noticed some of the animosity even on this forum but nothing serious.
Spirit of Light
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For me it was only one person in RF who got a bit personal in critique of sufism and how i practice
but of some reason he got silent 
capumetu
Active Member
Perhaps the key is in the words of Jesus sir, he said:
(Matthew 13:11) . . .“To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the Kingdom of the heavens, but to them it is not granted.
The Bible is only understood as God reveals it to His people progressively Pro 4:18; Daniel 12:4; Mat 24:45-47; Rev 1:1
It was not meant to be understood by the masses
Brian2
Veteran Member
In the early Christian church it was hate against the false teachings about Jesus and Christianity that were being spread.
That is indeed how it was presented, as 'false teachings'. The crooked arguments they used however prove that they were mostly doing apologetics and that they were not interested in the real facts about the texts that they were discussing. Of course that was a different age, there was no scientific paradigma to counter such falsehoods.
They felt threatened by the more esoteric paths and tried to vilify them.
Does that depend on the country he's in?No not affected by it
Spirit of Light
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As far as i know, yes. in the way i have come to know him, he has very little attachments to what others think of him as a teacher or person. He know him self very well
Whether or not he has little attachment to what others think of him has no impact on what others think of him. (I need to do more research on Sufi persecution.)As far as i know, yes. in the way i have come to know him, he has very little attachments to what others think of him as a teacher or person. He know him self very well
Spirit of Light
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You can find some of that in Turkey especially for the dervishs there.
There will always be persecution of religious groups, especially the esoteric once
Not good, I see.
Persecution of Sufis
In India, we're celebrated. Another major difference in paradigms.
Preachers put down other religions. Perhaps the reasons are:
1. Afraid that their followers will follow a different religion, especially if their religion derived from an older religion that is more apt to be from the source (God) rather than a rewrite by some king). I would imagine Anglicans insisting that their religion is the only true religion though it was created by a king (Henry VIII) who threw chicken bones over his shoulder while he ate, and created the church to allow for the divorce or execution of his various wives.
2. Support their choice of religion. Some went to divinity school (college) and spent a long time studying their religion, and it would be a pity to toss all that out if someone decides that another religion is correct or better.
The problem is that ever religion seems to have sects. One sect bashes another. It seems that religion is the great divider (rather than pulling everyone together, as it is supposed to do). Religion is supposed to make peace, not wars (Crusades, Guantanamo torture camp, etc).
firedragon
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When you say "Sunni and Shii" it is representing billions of people and maybe millions and millions of so called "leaders".
Thus in this case you will get anecdotal experiences.
Spirit of Light
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I have not spoken with millions of sunni or shia. what i mean is that those muslims i have spoken to who reacted negative to sufi teaching has been from sunni or shia. i dont say everyone think so
firedragon
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I didnt say you said "everyone thinks so" brother.
I said, the world is such a big place, so the answers you will get from those who do answer you will be anecdotal.
Hope you understand.
Of course its impossible to quantify how much of the teachings within Hinduism are esoteric and as soon as you share an esoteric teaching with a commoner such as myself its no longer an esoteric teaching.
My limited experience of Hinduism is that’s it is indeed diverse with many contradictory perspectives accepted as valid. It is a definite weakness within both Islam and Christianity that there’s an inability to accept the validity of opposing religious views. That inability can manifest itself as outright distain, distrust, conflict and persecution. That inability extends even to variants of the religion themselves where perhaps the harshest criticisms and opposition stems.
However in many countries where Christianity and Islam are the dominant religion, secularism exists that is often much stronger at accepting the ‘other’. That appears to be a strong positive for secularism which ironically many Muslims and Christians embrace.
I would imagine there are strongly conservative strands of Hindu society where the ‘other’ is treated just as badly if not worse in Christian and Islamic society. So I’m not entirely convinced that Hinduism is anymore tolerant than some Western countries including where we live. I suspect we’re actually more tolerant in some regards and ironically Christianity has contributed to that tolerance.