rosends
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Then this just shows, again, that you don't understand Jewish law. You should just accept that fact.
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rosends
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Except you said that they were ALL fulfilled already. Are you a robot?
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
I respectfully bow out from the conversation until this issue of spiritual ecstasy is fully ... explored. That is, by far, more interesting.
The Messiah would first come to do A, B, C, and then X, Y, and Z. Does the Old Testament truly predict a second advent of the Messiah? | GotQuestions.org
Why would during the time of Jesus all of the halacha be based off the Old Testament?
rosends
Well-Known Member
And this contradicts you earlier claim. It is pretty simple.
rosends
Well-Known Member
You are so efficient that you have 2 major problems in the space of 1 question!
1. Why wouldn't it all be - do you have any evidence that it wasn't? Jewish law would be based on the Jewish religious interaction with the divine. Why would you think that it source is anything else?
2. But who says all of it was based on the Jewish written text?
so are you a robot, a troll or a child? I'm genuinely curious.
Laws aren't just based off of what's on the books but on precedent and common sense. Common sense comes from God. What pastors and priests talk about comes from the Scriptures but they don't use the Scriptures to determine who is a close relative or not.
rosends
Well-Known Member
You keep saying the same things but that doesn't make them any more right. Everything you say in this post just screams, "I don't know what I'm talking about, especially as it relates to Jewish law!"
So why don't you try talking about something relevant that you know?
Are you referring to the post where I asked if halacha is from the Old Testament or rabbinic tradition?
The concept of the first and second coming are underlied in the Old Testament. Does the Old Testament truly predict a second advent of the Messiah? | GotQuestions.org
Batya
Always Forward
Has Israel suffered silently? I've never thought if it this way exactly, so I'm curious to hear your thoughts.
I think that in regard to Yeshua (I know you don't think that's who it's talking about, but anyway...), it would not so much be saying he never raised his voice, but that he did not come declaring himself to be the Messiah.
rosends
Well-Known Member
I am referring to post 1048, the one to which I responded.
rosends
Well-Known Member
And you contradicted yourself quite explicitly. Are you trying to convince me or yourself?
That verse is not symbolic, its just not meant to be taken to the most minute detail.
I said that Jesus fulfilled all of the prophecies and some will be fulfilled at his second coming. The Messiah would first come to do A, B, C, and then X, Y, and Z, is why the two are not contradictory. I didn't mean that Jesus wouldn't do certain things later.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
The exile in Babylon? Wouldn't that work and fit in the context of the later chapters?
Can you make a case for salvation on the cross if Isaiah 53:5 is not taken as literally true?
Do the verses Isaiah 42:1-4 match the gospel account?
Then, take a look at verse 6. Can you make that verse comprehensible if God is the Messiah?
Then, verse 8... God does not share his glory... but the book of John says, glorify the son and the father is glorified...
Do you see what I mean? The book of Isaiah does not match the gospel.
rosends
Well-Known Member
Again, you said,
"Jesus FULFILLED ALL the prophecies"
and then you said
"some WILL BE fulfilled at his second coming."
If some WILL BE, then you can't say that all were already fulfilled.
You're putting me on about this, right? You can't miss the contradiction and still have the intelligence required to turn a computer on.
Isaiah 42:1-4 calls Jesus the servant like Isaiah 53, and says that the Spirit of the Lord is upon him. Jesus didn't resist arrest. The Messiah will bring forth judgement in the end times.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Therefore: The suffering servant is an archetype. Any martyr fits.