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Is Luke 22:42 about Jesus or Adam?

Luke 22:42
Jesus prayed saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.”

Considering it says "Jesus prayed" I think it's safe to say this verse is about Jesus. But someone on here told me:

"That is Adam, not Jesus His Pre-Eminence. Adam prayed those prayers in the Garden of Eden before he ate the fruit."

It's an interesting take does anyone have more knowledge on this interpretation? Why did Adam pray about this to God, did Adam know he had to eat the fruit to fulfill God's plans but he didn't want to?
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
Luke 22:42
Jesus prayed saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.”

Considering it says "Jesus prayed" I think it's safe to say this verse is about Jesus. But someone on here told me:

"That is Adam, not Jesus His Pre-Eminence. Adam prayed those prayers in the Garden of Eden before he ate the fruit."

It's an interesting take does anyone have more knowledge on this interpretation? Why did Adam pray about this to God, did Adam know he had to eat the fruit to fulfill God's plans but he didn't want to?
I make the connection between Adam and Christ as where the first having failed, the second did not. Adam was commanded not to eat of the tree. He failed. Jesus was commanded to drink of the cup (lay down his life). He did not fail.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I've never heard this interpretation but see no reason to give it any credence.

The most reasonable interpretation is that Jesus was both fully human and fully divine. As divinity, he took a human form to take on humanity's suffering. As human, he prayed what any human might say when facing extreme suffering.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
Luke 22:42
Jesus prayed saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.”

Considering it says "Jesus prayed" I think it's safe to say this verse is about Jesus. But someone on here told me:

"That is Adam, not Jesus His Pre-Eminence. Adam prayed those prayers in the Garden of Eden before he ate the fruit."

It's an interesting take does anyone have more knowledge on this interpretation? Why did Adam pray about this to God, did Adam know he had to eat the fruit to fulfill God's plans but he didn't want to?
Nothing to do with Adam. After Jesus left the original gospel changed and the atonement doctrine emerged. Presumably connecting this to Adam has something to do with the claim that the cross was a debt payment for original sin.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Luke 22:42
Jesus prayed saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.”

Considering it says "Jesus prayed" I think it's safe to say this verse is about Jesus. But someone on here told me:

"That is Adam, not Jesus His Pre-Eminence. Adam prayed those prayers in the Garden of Eden before he ate the fruit."

It's an interesting take does anyone have more knowledge on this interpretation? Why did Adam pray about this to God, did Adam know he had to eat the fruit to fulfill God's plans but he didn't want to?

I believe the idea of it being an Adamic prayer is pure fantasy.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Luke 22:42
Jesus prayed saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.”

Considering it says "Jesus prayed" I think it's safe to say this verse is about Jesus. But someone on here told me:

"That is Adam, not Jesus His Pre-Eminence. Adam prayed those prayers in the Garden of Eden before he ate the fruit."

It's an interesting take does anyone have more knowledge on this interpretation? Why did Adam pray about this to God, did Adam know he had to eat the fruit to fulfill God's plans but he didn't want to?
I've never heard that before, but to think about it deeply, it is an interesting suggestion (if that is what they were intending).

So if you were to have Adam saying those same words to God, "if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done," that would mean that Adam's sin was part of God's will for mankind, or for his purposes, that Adam should do God's will and take a plunge into the human condition, to know death, to know suffering and separation from the Divine.

In a real sense of the word, I can understand that as a metaphor. It would mean the Fall of man, was an intentional plan of God in order the Divine itself to understand the world from outside of Itself, by taking human form, in order to redeem his creation he separated himself from. It's some deep thoughts there to consider, beyond what the typical biblical ideas present, which are themselves of course sketchy at best.

This also would tie into evolution, where the Divine grows through Its Creation.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Luke 22:42
Jesus prayed saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.”

Considering it says "Jesus prayed" I think it's safe to say this verse is about Jesus. But someone on here told me:

"That is Adam, not Jesus His Pre-Eminence. Adam prayed those prayers in the Garden of Eden before he ate the fruit."

It's an interesting take does anyone have more knowledge on this interpretation? Why did Adam pray about this to God, did Adam know he had to eat the fruit to fulfill God's plans but he didn't want to?
This sounds like an LDS take on Adam being a hero instead of a villain, implying that his disobedience was God's will and not his own. Talk about twisting the scriptures.....

This interpretation has nothing to do with anything in scripture. If Adam had prayed a prayer like this in the garden before eating the fruit, then it would show that God was not the best 'parent' in advising his son about activity that would cause him to lose his life and bring sin into the world with all the woes that it has brought on mankind. (Romans 5:12) Remember that Adam had direct contact with his God.

It would mean that God told his human creation to have children but then make it impossible without breaking that command. What nonsense!

The Edenic scenario was a simple test of obedience......the one negative command they had, imposed no hardship on the pair in any way. What it did was test their love, their loyalty, and respect for what their Sovereign had placed in his own possession. It was not theirs for the taking like every other tree in the garden. For Eve, it was stealing from their Creator in the hope of being more like Him.....but for Adam it was much more serious. The woman was "thoroughly deceived" but Adam wasn't.

1 Timothy 2:13-14...
"For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 Also, Adam was not deceived, but the woman was thoroughly deceived and became a transgressor."
Adam was the one educated by his God before his wife was presented to him. He, in turn was to educate her and together they would educate their children....humans were not created like the animals to act only on instinct. They had free will, but it would have to come with limits. Taking free will too far would mean imposing on the free will of others....and that is what happened when Adam joined his wife. Men started to dominate others to their detriment.....within one generation Adam's firstborn murdered his brother in a fit of jealousy.

The devil used the less educated woman as bait.....her partaking of the fruit forced Adam to divide his loyalties.....he chose to side with his wife, but the consequences were dire. It would mean that the 'sin of the father was visited upon his children'. It was Adam whose sin determined the future of the human race. The pair showed no remorse.

What would have happened if Adam had refused to take the fruit from his wife's hand?....a whole different scenario would have resulted. That is what free will means...the ability to make choices whilst being aware of their consequences. The devil lied....but God did not. If they had simply obeyed on the basis of what they had already been given, they would not have lost it all, for themselves or their children.

Jesus was in the same position when the devil tempted him.....he had the future of the entire human race on his shoulders (he was 100% mortal human....with free will like Adam). Had he caved in to selfish interests like Adam did, we would have lost our redeemer and our hope. But Jesus did what Adam should have done, always referring back to God's instructions and acting on them.....and we thank God for that and the trust he placed in his firstborn son to complete his mission. It was a great act of love on the part of both of them. (John 3:16)

God launched his rescue plan right then and there, (Genesis 3:15) but it was a long range plan to ensure that a situation like this could never happen again. Our Creator is a genius......free will is preserved as the gift it was meant to be, and everlasting life can be restored on this earth as God originally intended. All we need is patience whist God brings it all to its foretold conclusion...in his own time and in his own way. (Revelation 21:2-4)
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Luke 22:42
Jesus prayed saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.”

Considering it says "Jesus prayed" I think it's safe to say this verse is about Jesus. But someone on here told me:

"That is Adam, not Jesus His Pre-Eminence. Adam prayed those prayers in the Garden of Eden before he ate the fruit."

It's an interesting take does anyone have more knowledge on this interpretation? Why did Adam pray about this to God, did Adam know he had to eat the fruit to fulfill God's plans but he didn't want to?
Maybe they are thinking about Jesus as the second Adam? - But it is still Jesus.

I don't think Adam prayed that prayer in Eden
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Maybe they are thinking about Jesus as the second Adam? - But it is still Jesus.

I don't think Adam prayed that prayer in Eden
But if he had, how would that change your understanding of things? I shared my thoughts on that above.
 

Treasure Hunter

Well-Known Member
Luke 22:42
Jesus prayed saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.”

Considering it says "Jesus prayed" I think it's safe to say this verse is about Jesus. But someone on here told me:

"That is Adam, not Jesus His Pre-Eminence. Adam prayed those prayers in the Garden of Eden before he ate the fruit."

It's an interesting take does anyone have more knowledge on this interpretation? Why did Adam pray about this to God, did Adam know he had to eat the fruit to fulfill God's plans but he didn't want to?

Are you confused because you don’t know why Jesus would pray “remove this cup from me”?
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Are you confused because you don’t know why Jesus would pray “remove this cup from me”?

The cup that Jesus wanted removed was not his death per se, because he had come to offer his life for repentant mankind.....it was the manner of his execution and the charges brought against him. Jesus had observed from heaven the extreme suffering of others who were put to death by the Romans, known for their cruelty.

As a human, who could feel pain, Jesus was not looking forward to what awaited him. More important, though, he is in agony because he senses that his dying like a despised criminal might bring reproach on his Father’s name. In a few hours, he would be hanged on a stake as if he were a blasphemer against God....something unthinkable for him.
 
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