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Is according to Jews everything God's will?

Skywalker

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Nor is it part of Jewish law. So say it with me "not Jewish law."

A lot of things aren't in the Scriptures but we accept them because they are common sense. Someone treating step children like close family doesn't have to be mentioned in the scriptures for it to be valid.
 

Skywalker

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If you have questions about Judaism then you are admitting you do not understand Judaism and that's an important first step!

Swing and a miss. You claimed that people say that believing in Jesus makes them more Jewish. I am equting that with people saying "murdering makes me more Christian." The way you feel about the latter is how I feel about the former. If you don't understand that, then I can't help you.

Believing in Jesus is not inconsistent with being Jewish. As Jews in the Old Testament sought to atone for their sins through a system of animal sacrifices, here was Jesus, the ultimate sacrificial Lamb of God, who paid for sin once and for all. Here was the personification of God's plan of redemption. Christians didn't rewrite the Old Testament and twist Isaiah's words to make it sound as if the prophet had been foreshadowing Jesus. Isaiah 53 is in the Jewish Bible.
 

rosends

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But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Isaiah 53:5-6
No, Jesus wasn't. Next?
The more people read the Scriptures, the more they notice things that weren't there before. Deuteronomy talked about a prophet greater than Moses who will come and whom we should listen to. Who can be greater than Moses? Deuteronomy 18:15
The more people read, it seems, the more they invent. Deut 18:15 says nothing about anyone greater than Moses. Making things up doesn't help you.

That verse is a prophecy about the Messiah-someone as great and as respected as Moses but a greater teacher and a greater authority. Isaiah 53, with clarity and specificity, in a haunting prediction wrapped in exquisite poetry, here was the picture of a Messiah who would suffer and die for the sins of Israel and the world-written more than seven hundred years before Jesus walked the earth.
No it isn't. It is about any one of the many prophets who followed Moses and whom the people had to listen to. Since Jesus wasn't a prophet, it wasn't about him.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
Believing in Jesus is not inconsistent with being Jewish.
Sure it is. We have already established that you don't understand Judaism, so it isn't for you to state what is and isn't consistent with Judaism.
As Jews in the Old Testament sought to atone for their sins through a system of animal sacrifices,
No, not exactly. This is just more you don't understand.
here was Jesus, the ultimate sacrificial Lamb of God,
Lambs weren't sin sacrifices. Neither were people.
Isaiah 53 is in the Jewish Bible.
But Jesus isn't.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
A lot of things aren't in the Scriptures but we accept them because they are common sense. Someone treating step children like close family doesn't have to be mentioned in the scriptures for it to be valid.
who is "we"? and why do you think that your vision of "common sense" has any impact on Jewish law? Hint -- it doesn't.

And someone treating someone a certain way has nothing to do with Jewish law also.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
who is "we"? and why do you think that your vision of "common sense" has any impact on Jewish law? Hint -- it doesn't.

And someone treating someone a certain way has nothing to do with Jewish law also.

What law in the Tanakh says that a stepfather isn't close family?
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
Jesus not being Jewish if Mary wasn't Jewish (which is a non issue) doesn't mean that Joseph wasn't his father for all intents and purposes.
When did I say anything about Jesus' not being Jewish? You are still inventing things.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
When did I say anything about Jesus' not being Jewish? You are still inventing things.

I was making an analogy for why Jesus being born of a virgin doesn't mean that he isn't a descendant of King David. I wasn't saying that Jesus was a Khazar.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
who is "we"? and why do you think that your vision of "common sense" has any impact on Jewish law? Hint -- it doesn't.

And someone treating someone a certain way has nothing to do with Jewish law also.

Jewish law doesn't exclude step parents from being close family.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
I was making an analogy for why Jesus being born of a virgin doesn't mean that he isn't a descendant of King David. I wasn't saying that Jesus was a Khazar.
But no one was talking about this. You are arguing a point that no one is raising.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
There is no status in Jewish law of "close family" that would include step parents on the same level as parents. You can look it up.

Jesus was treated as the father of Jesus even though he was Jesus' stepfather. Joseph the Father of Jesus

Joseph observed the Holy Days and Hebrew Feast with his family as shown in Luke 2:41-42. “Every year Jesus’ parents went to Jerusalem for the Passover festival. When Jesus was twelve years old, they attended the festival as usual.” We also know that through Joseph’s sensitivity and obedience to God, he fulfilled the role of protector and guardian of Jesus. He enacted the role of ‘father’ admirably in every way. Little detail of Joseph is given in the Gospels so because Jesus entrusted Mary to the care of John, it is speculated that Joseph may have died a natural death between their visit to the temple when Jesus was twelve (Luke 2:41-51) but before the Baptism of Jesus when He was thirty (Mark 1:9-11).

It is clear that others recognized Joseph as the legal father of Jesus in verses such as John 1:45. Joseph's influence during those early years must have been incredible. When Jesus spoke of God as being like a loving Father, he could draw from his youth the kind of love he had from Joseph. Joseph stands as a testimony to the value of integrity, obedience, faithfulness, and especially to honoring the entrusted role of "fatherhood.”
 
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