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Did Jesus Christ actually die?

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Even Christians believe in submitting to God, but that doesn't make them Muslims. Jesus prayed to God the Father, but I believe the personal name of God in the Bible is Yahweh. I'm not saying that Allah is the name of the moon god, that's not important, im saying that I don't believe Allah is God's name.
The teachings of a prophet. A man changed about God inferences of his life changed in irradiating conditions.
O one.

Satan angel message fallout awareness.

His life body changed. Healed saved aware then teaches advice.
Life body harmed.
Message about man science realised.

New maths science information teaching.

About the conditions of altering mother of God spatial vacuum womb. Body of one. Sciences holy mother terms.

Science then owned in maths new numbered reasoning about cause effect life given reasoned message.

Due to countries fallout.

For life survival in its owned nation.

Reason today. The UFO radiation fallout different in every country as ground mass is also different. One mass body.
 

Skywalker

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Stories of people seeing Jesus post resurrection do not constitute the authors actually eye witnessing the events or talking to eyewitnesses.

The Bible says that the followers of Jesus saw him after he resurrected. He Is Risen: Historical Evidence That Jesus Rose From The Dead | Reasons for Jesus

3. Jesus’ tomb was found empty

Fact three is the exception since it is affirmed by roughly 75% of scholars as opposed to 99% upwards. However, that is still a majority as Habermas explains,

“…A STRONG MAJORITY OF CONTEMPORARY CRITICAL SCHOLARS SEEMS TO SUPPORT… THAT JESUS WAS BURIED IN A TOMB THAT WAS SUBSEQUENTLY DISCOVERED TO BE EMPTY” (40).

Firstly, it is implied in the early pre-Pauline creed of 1 Corinthians 15:1-11 as William Craig notes, “For in saying that Jesus died – was buried – was raised – appeared, one automatically implies that the empty grave has been left behind” (41).

Secondly, Christianity would have hit a wall if the tomb wasn’t actually empty. The easiest way to disprove the early Christian message of a resurrected saviour would be to go to the tomb where Jesus was laid, and expose it. Paul Althaus explains the resurrection proclamation “could not have been maintained in Jerusalem for a single day, for a single hour, if the emptiness of the tomb had not been established as a fact for all concerned” (42).

Thirdly, it is remarkable that even the Jewish authories (the enemies of the disciples) themselves acknolwedged the tomb as found empty in.

Evidence found in Matthew 28:11-15 and reports by Justin Martyr and Tertullian tells us that the Jewish leaders tried to explain that the tomb was empty because Jesus’ disciples stole his body. This suggests that the Jewish authorities acknowledged the fact that Jesus’ body was no longer in the tomb.

They didn’t object to the tomb being empty, they tried to explain this fact away, which suggests to us it really was empty. This is positive evidence from a hostile sources, suggesting to us that the tomb was genuinely empty.

Fourthly, that Jesus’ women followers were the first to discover the empty tomb passes the criterion of embarrassment, as Chris Price illumines that “In light of this cultural context, if you are going to create a story about an empty tomb you don’t make women the first eyewitnesses. This is a counterproductive detail included by the writer simply because he was committed to telling the truth” (43).

According to scholar D. H. Van Daalen (1972):

“IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO OBJECT TO THE EMPTY TOMB ON HISTORICAL GROUNDS; THOSE WHO DENY IT DO SO ON THE BASIS OF THEOLOGICAL OR PHILOSOPHICAL ASSUMPTIONS”

It also boasts independent attestation. It is early and independently attested in 1 Cor. 15:1-11 and the Pre-Markan Passion Narrative (44). It is also attested in the synoptics (Mark, Matthew, Luke) and John. That is four independent sources as Habermas notes:

“[THE] EMPTY TOMB IS REPORTED IN AT LEAST THREE, IF NOT FOUR, OF THESE GOSPEL SOURCES” WHICH IS WHY IT IS “TAKEN SO SERIOUSLY BY CONTEMPORARY CRITICAL SCHOLARS” (45).

It was also part of the early Christian preaching in Acts (3:29-31 & 36-37 ) and is likewise enemy attested (46).
 

cataway

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And who cares what the Bible says? The Bible is the claim it is not the evidence. If all you can do is to refer to the Bible you might as well admit that your beliefs are wrong.
me i do . along with millions of others . please stay on the road you're walking
 

Riders

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I believe the Bible because the prophecies came true, like those of the creation of the state of Israel.

I believe somethings in the bible have come true but also some things in Jewish and Muslim and other religious bibles have come true too. Just because I don't believe the hype written about Jesus because I believe it was written as a legend doesn't mean some things in the bible are not right. There is some truth in the bible, some of it is true some of it is a legend.
 

Skywalker

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I believe somethings in the bible have come true but also some things in Jewish and Muslim and other religious bibles have come true too. Just because I don't believe the hype written about Jesus because I believe it was written as a legend doesn't mean some things in the bible are not right. There is some truth in the bible, some of it is true some of it is a legend.

The Bible does relate to us today. All of the authors wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. He doesn't make mistakes, and He is always timely and eternal. The Bible applies to people in all cultures, all generations, all races, and all situations, circumstances, and social stratas. The Bible is about real people, places, and things-archaeologists are revealing more and more about the accuracy of the Bible. The Bible is the most studied and researched book in the history of mankind, and what it says has been shown to be true again and again. The commandments of the Bible are the absolutes of God-His opinions on sin, judgement, righteousness, obedience, forgiveness, and holiness have not changed and will not change.

When you begin to discount or dismiss the Word of God, you'll find that there's no end to discounting it or dismissing its value. On what basis can you say that some of the Bible is true but other parts aren't? On what basis can you say that you believe some of the miracles but not all of the miracles? On what basis can you say that the love of God is good to believe but the justice and righteousness of God aren't good to believe?
 

cataway

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You missed the point. One cannot use a terribly flawed book to support a terribly flawed book. Outside sources are required.
i can actually do just about any thing i want . you may like to believe God will never take action . likely because you have never seen it happen in the past . i have
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
i can actually do just about any thing i want . you may like to believe God will never take action . likely because you have never seen it happen in the past . i have
You may believe that you have seen it, but you probably did not. Confirmation bias is very strong among believers and it is a deceiver. Like most religious people that claim to know you probably have never properly tested your beliefs.

How would you properly test your beliefs in God?
 

cataway

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You may believe that you have seen it, but you probably did not. Confirmation bias is very strong among believers and it is a deceiver. Like most religious people that claim to know you probably have never properly tested your beliefs.

How would you properly test your beliefs in God?
you need not worried Matthew 7:6
 

Skywalker

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So, people say that Jesus Christ rose from the dead...

But if he rose from being supposedly "dead", was he ever really dead?

Surely by definition death is final?

I think whatever condition he was in was not death

I think he returned from a state that was medically similar to death

And that if It was truly death then he wouldn't have got up again!

It was once fashionable to say that the Gospels-Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John-were written too late to give an accurate account of what really happened in the life of Jesus, including the events surrounding his resurrection. Some even said they weren't written until the mid to late second century, more than a hundred years after the events surrounding Jesus' ministry. This discredited the idea that the Gospels were based on eyewitness accounts, and eroded confidence in what they said about Jesus.

However, it is now known that the Gospels were written in the first century-within the life span of Jesus' followers. Also, before the Gospels were recorded, Paul penned his epistles. These letters affirm many details about Jesus' life, including his resurrection. In addition Paul's epistles relay several earlier creeds, attesting to the beliefs of Jesus' first followers. One of the most interesting is in 1 Corinthians 15:3-7.

Historian Gary Habermas developed a helpful time line related to this creed. It starts with understanding that Jesus was crucified in either AD 30 or 33. Paul wrote 1 Corinthians in AD 54-55, which puts it within approximately twenty-one and twenty-five years of the crucifixion. But Paul said he had previously passed on the creed to the people of Corinth, so the creed itself dates even earlier. But there's more. Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:3: "What I received I passed on to you." When did he receive this creed? He became a Christian one to three years after Jesus' execution. He immediately went to Damascus to meet the disciples. He might have received it then, but it was more likely three years later, when he went to Jerusalem and met with Peter and James, both of whom are named in the creed. Paul described this meeting in Galatians 1:18-19, using the Greek term historesai, which suggests it was a personal inquiry or investigation.

Either way, this means Paul was given the creed within one to six years of the crucifixion- and it had already been put into credal form, which tells us these beliefs went back even further.

"This tradition," concluded historian James D. G. Dunn, "we can be entirely confident, was formulated as tradition within months of Jesus' death."

Months! The news of Jesus' resurrection was a news flash in the ancient world-and it affirmed that the risen Jesus had appeared to many witnesses.
 
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