Harry and Meghan interview

Flankerl said:

That they won't say who it was takes much away from the claim. .

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I think this shows good judgement.
They can get it off their chests, yet avoid burning bridges.

Kooky said:

I do remember the attacks the British press was launching at Meghan in the early days of the relationship being as ridiculous in their pearl clutching as they were disgusting in their racism.

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Were the 'racist' comments any different from what would have been said about a shallow, insincere, self-centred minor American celebrity who didn't also happen to be mixed race?

Didn't pay much attention at the time, so accept I may be wrong, but the ones I saw were just snobbish and anti-American (although haven't exactly been proved wrong by events).

Revoltingest said:

I think this shows good judgement.
They can get it off their chests, yet avoid burning bridges.

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I think the issue is, apart from not knowing the exact comments or context, that there appears to be a tendency to then go on to 'the royals are racist' , which has been said in media comments - or even just asking such - so projecting somewhat. I've recorded the interview but I must admit to not being that interested enough so as to view it.

Mock Turtle said:

I think the issue is, apart from not knowing the exact comments or context, that there appears to be a tendency to then go on to 'the royals are racist' , which has been said in media comments - or even just asking such - so projecting somewhat. I've recorded the interview but I must admit to not being that interested enough so as to view it.

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Calling people "racist" is so standard an insult these
days that it has little meaning. So if directed at no
one in particular, individual relationships won't be
permanently trashed.

Revoltingest said:

Calling people "racist" is so standard an insult these
days that it has little meaning. So if directed at no
one in particular, individual relationships won't be
permanently trashed.

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Seems more like using a shotgun to score a bullseye.

Just one little question about the idea of the color of the baby.
How about Queen Phillipa, wife of King Edward III or Queen Charoltte, wife of King George III. You know the first and second black Queens of England.

Mock Turtle said:

Seems more like using a shotgun to score a bullseye.

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Rants are like that, ie, about how one feels
rather than a specific accusation.

esmith said:

Just one little question about the idea of the color of the baby.
How about Queen Phillipa, wife of King Edward III or Queen Charoltte, wife of King George III. You know the first and second black Queens of England.

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They weren't black, but it's a nice story for the internet.

Augustus said:

They weren't black, but it's a nice story for the internet.

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Is this based on the color or ansestery
If ancestry then why This
and This

esmith said:

Is this based on the color or ansestery
If ancestry then why This
and This

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Ancestry.

Philippa - it's just made up based on the fact that someone noted her tanned complexion combined some fanciful notion that the were "Moorish" tribes in medieval Belgium

Charlotte - Less fantastical, but still unlikely to be true. That one of her ancestors was a 'Moor'. 1. Moors were North Africans, not sub-Saharan Africans so generally weren't 'black' 2. Her ancestor likely wasn't a Moor, but a Christian who lived in 'Moorish' Andalusia

Augustus said:

Were the 'racist' comments any different from what would have been said about a shallow, insincere, self-centred minor American celebrity who didn't also happen to be mixed race?

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You infer a lot about the character of a person whom you don't know personally and likely have never met, over a situation you yourself have admitted you don't actually know a whole lot about.

Is there a particular reason for that?

esmith said:

Is this based on the color or ansestery
If ancestry then why This
and This

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I didn't take you for a Black Hebrew Israelite.

SomeRandom said:

The comment about someone asking her what skin colour her baby would be, did make me do a double take though.

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Why?

Even in families of any single race, I imagine people would ask questions like:
Do you think she will have blue eyes like her mother?
Do you think she will be a chubby baby given the size of her mom and dad?

Time and again, Oprah raised the race issue in the interview. Time and again, Gayle King, on CBS's morning show, alluded to the race issue.

ecco said:

Why?

Even in families of any single race, I imagine people would ask questions like:
Do you think she will have blue eyes like her mother?
Do you think she will be a chubby baby given the size of her mom and dad?

Time and again, Oprah raised the race issue in the interview. Time and again, Gayle King, on CBS's morning show, alluded to the race issue.

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You don't think people treat skin color differently than eye color?

By his own many admissions, Harry's life is shaped by what happened to his mother. He knew that her unhappiness and ultimate death were partly caused by the tabloids and "the royal house". So, when it came to a second date with Meghan - what the hell was he thinking? Or, perhaps, what was he thinking with?

Kooky said:

You don't think people treat skin color differently than eye color?

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Every question about color is not necessarily racist.

ecco said:

Every question about color is not necessarily racist.

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Again, do you genuinely believe that there is no difference between asking about a baby's eye color, and asking about its skin color? You seemed to argue that just a few posts ago, but your reaction to my question has confused me.


EDIT:
To adress your concern, it is important to make a distinction between the possible and the logically necessary.

There are many things that are possible, even likely, but not logically necessary.
For example, the Sun rising in the East every day is highly likely, but not logically necessary - we could easily imagine a world where the reverse was true. On the other hand, an unmarried bachelor is a logical necessity - it is part of the definition of a 'bachelor' to be unmarried, so any alternate situation would be logically impossible.

In the same vein, a dubious remark about skin color is not logically necessary to be racist, because racism is a cultural construct and as such dependent on a cultural context - no word's racist connotations are logically necessary, their meaning is the product of a combination of historical happenstance, culturally tradited meaning, and intersubjective perception. However, it is at the very least possible for it to be racist - and depending on who is making such a remark, or on the greater context of the situation under discussion, said remark may even be likely to be racist.

Kooky said:

You infer a lot about the character of a person whom you don't know personally and likely have never met, over a situation you yourself have admitted you don't actually know a whole lot about.

Is there a particular reason for that?

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It seems to me that Meghan did really care about the "royalty aspect" that a marriage with Harry implies.
If it really was real love..and if she really loves him, she wouldn't care at all.
For example...if I had married Harry, I would have been happy if he had moved to my country...quitting all that world.
To live a normal life. Light years away from the press.
I think Harry deserves better.

Estro Felino said:

It seems to me that Meghan did really care about the "royalty aspect" that a marriage with Harry implies.
If it really was real love..and if she really loves him, she wouldn't care at all.
For example...if I had married Harry, I would have been happy if he had moved to my country...quitting all that world.
To live a normal life.

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If we are going to fantasize about a person none of us has met, then I'm going to put forward the theory that Meghan Markle is in fact secretly a superhero who hunts Nazis at night. That's why she's so easily irritated by racist remarks, they remind her of the people she habitually beats up as part of her secret identity as masked avenger.

Kooky said:

However, it is at the very least possible for it to be racist - and depending on who is making such a remark, or on the greater context of the situation under discussion, said remark may even be likely to be racist.

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Given that neither of us knows who raised the question and under what circumstances it was raised, makes our discussion uninformed.