Heyo
Veteran Member
So you'd agree that the bill should not pass because it gives a privilege of not being mocked to the police when that should be a right that everyone should have?
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Illegal To Insult Cops?
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Heyo
Veteran Member
I agree somewhat. I could live with insults being illegal (they are here). What makes me angry is that in the bill it would not be a law but a privilege for cops.
Equality before the law is one of the highest values of any system of justice that deserves that name. Trying to violate that principle should make any lawmaker unfit for office.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
The police? Always, of course, often, and regularly. The keep killing us, they keep wrongfully imprisoning us, keep raping us, and keep covering up their bad apples they really don't even deserve our respect, less so after we consider how militarized they've become. As long as they keep treating us like cattle to slaughter and pets to bark orders we have to follow exactly or face our execution, as long as no knock warrants are legal and methods of execution, Piggly-Wiggly is a suitable name for the police. Bacon. Porker. Popo.
The entire "criminal justice system" itself just needs razed and rebuilt. It starts with a lack of standards for police hiring and training, very poor standards of hiring and training, and works it's way all the way up to judges, lawyers, jails/prisons, and local, state, and federal politicians. It's a malignant tumor that needs nuked and removed.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Just a regular town. There may be something seriously wrong with your area. Don't make the mistake of judging all precincts by one bad one.
Though it does appear that your perception is false. If it was true you should have been able to justify your claim. You seem to have a very distorted view of the police and I am trying to find out why.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
The law would almost certainly fail under constitutional grounds here. Part of police training is learning how to accept that some people are walking talking sphincters and there is not anything that you can about it legally.
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
So still nothing. Abuses are the exception not the rule. The BLM protests caused more problems than they solved because they were going after the wrong people and using violence too often. Did you check into the background of why police tried to control what were supposedly "peaceful protests in New York City? Of course you didn't. You took the propaganda of your choice at face value.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Yep it's nothing. Never happens.
Police are just complete misunderstood angels.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I didn't say that at all.
You expect too much of them. Right now one of the main problems is that cities got to cheap. Their problems are larger and to varied for the police to handle. That is why police so often have to rely on violence. When only one cop tries to control someone violence is too often the only means that works. Do your remember what happened when Michael Brown was shot and killed in Ferguson? That was a case where even two cops would probably have been too few. People made a big deal of Michael Brown being unarmed, but he was a large and very strong violent man. After strong arm robbing a store he attacked the officer that stopped him for questioning he left but then he charged to attack him again. He was shot and died as a result. It was not just the officer that observed this but others in the community. It was a justified shooting. And yet there were protests in quite a few cities.
When it comes to police violence one of the best cures out there is being implemented more and more. Bodycams need to be standard equipment for ever officer with no way to turn off the device. They would provide better than an eyewitness account of every interaction.
Heyo
Veteran Member
1127 people killed by police in 2020 in the US. And you call that an exception? No, abuse of power has become the norm and doing it without repercussions makes it systemic.
The well trained and level headed police officer is the exception and they are not welcomed on the force because they make their colleagues look bad - and they get fired:
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
I've had a cop accuse me of being intoxicated because of the way I talk (monotone and a bit slow having Aspergers). I've been in a cop car, again due to a false belief I was intoxicated. My nephew has been harassed for having the same last name as his dad (it's a very uncommon name).
When I lived in Indiana, one cop tased an elderly man with advanced Alzheimers--while at a nursing home--because the guy was uncooperative. Many people I've know were road side searched despite the fact they had nothing on them to give probable cause. One cop threatened to shoot several people, including the mayor, because he didn't get a day off that he didn't formally request off. One sheriff got a vehicle for warzones because he believes America is a warzone. A drunk cop, on duty, hit and killed a motorist, and many people in the Indianapolis Metro Police Department tried very hard to cover all this up. They've also tried to have someone tried in a case that would have been double jeopardy. They also have a reputation for being very prejudiced, because they are.
Making insults illegal would criminalise those with tourettes syndrome. And really, why can't people just grow some mental maturity and shrug off insults?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You are forgetting two key facts. One the U.S. is a big country with a large population. Second unlike European countries a high percentage of our criminal carry firearms. It is not an abuse of power when one is dealing with people that can only be responded to with firearms.
In the U.S. almost all officers are on their own when they are on duty. Is that the case in your country? In most European countries it seems that they travel in pairs. And they are dealing with an almost unarmed populace. Of course you are going to have far fewer killings. Sorry, but it is not an abuse of power. Especially in this day and age where one can very often find video of events.
I am not saying that it does not happen, but just depending on the numbers is not evidence for abuse of power.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
If an officer pulled you over for an offense you might have a rough time of it due to your speech problems. The question is how did they handle it? How did you handle it? Did you explain about your disability and ask for a beathalizer test? It would have cleared you. Police run into all sorts of people that lie to cover up drunkenness. You can't expect them to simply take your word for it.
I have spent a lot of time at nursing homes and have seen the elderly get violent at times. Maybe the guy should have been tased, maybe not. You cannot automatically assume that the cop was in the wrong. I have seen too guys so old about to mix it up where the were so frail that if either one landed a blow it would likely be the last for the other. They can still inflict damage even if they cannot take it any longer. Dealing with the elderly people with dementia can be very challenging. And worse yet there is no more excuse for assuming that all cops are wrong just because of the works of a few.
Think of it this way, a higher percentage of crimes are committed by black people. One cannot treat all black people as being law breakers due to the minority that does break the law. The same applies to the police. There will be some bad ones. They are human after all. But that is no excuse to attack all of them just as one cannot attack blacks. Understanding why those events happen on both sides and working to avoid them is the answer. Cops right now are severely overburdened and as a result short cuts have to be taken at times. So what is the current solution? Make the situation even worse for cops. Nice logic.
Heyo
Veteran Member
It's an archaic notion of honour. It was hard enough to convince people to stop duelling to the death.
Heyo
Veteran Member
That would be so if there were good cops who turn in and testify against the bad cops. It would be so if the cops weren't shielded from consequences.
But when "good" cops step in to defend bad cops, they are telling us "we are one" - and when they want to be seen as a unit, I treat them as a unit - a bad unit.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
How one handled it was to put me in his car so he could smell my breath over my air freshener.
That was the first time I was pulled over, for going slow (my tank was very nearly empty, this was in a very rural setting, and the gas station just a few miles away). I was very flustered and frustrated.
The second time he pulled me over, I forgot my license. Despite me being a very familiar face in a familiar car (not just pulled over, the first time he acknowledged he recognized me as an employee of aforementioned gas station), he again put me in his car as he my soc number and whatever else I gave him.
And once, sitting in a hotel parking lot with my ex, where we had a room. For whatever reason his dog was barking. He was also pretty crappy about it, trying to be very intimidating as if it were an interrogation.
My ex went off on him because he did very specifically say "the way I talk," so it didn't matter what I thought or how reacted at that point (she's bipolar and has borderline personality disorder, so she and the cops there often don't get along). And after that he did leave us alone.
And in real life I very rarely disclose my ailments and such. And in the case of a police encounter, it's likely it would be of a great disservice as many bozos self diagnose themselves with Asperger's just because they suck at starting a conversation and avoiding awkward topics.
Here, I was pulled over by one bozo picking on young girl using texting on her phone in a traffic lane (I was at a stop light, sent a quick text, put my phone back down, and then went as the light changed to green). But my license is still male so his absolutely everything changed when he saw that (when I say everything, I mean voice tone and pitch, eye contact, body position and language, everything). It's also the first time I've seen a cop show indications of a break in confidence and assertiveness amd get shifty in his eyes, lmao.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
I think we need to forbid internal investigations of foul police behaviors. Subject their actions to something similar like how academia is scrutinized by an Institutional Review Board regarding research that requires human subjects.
Of course, on RF agreeing to not insult each other
is an agreement we all make....some extremely
rare falls from grace notwithstanding....ya shirt wear'n,
sea fare'n, apple eat'n, death cheat'n, milk spill'n, cup
fill'n, pants rip'n, tea sip'n, lollygagger!
Regiomontanus
Ματαιοδοξία ματαιοδοξιών! Όλα είναι ματαιοδοξία.
I have never seen that side of him. Perhaps he views the public that way. I will call him later - I am curious what he thinks of your view.
