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War, the final battle.

Fallen Prophet

Well-Known Member
Personally I see that is how it has unfolded.

What the world now sees is a result of rejecting the Father.

That is another topic that has been discussed many times.

What will unfold is that, we as humanity, will face a series of Global crisis that are showing us we need to work together as one people.

These convulsions will culminate in a global event, a size an extent that is not known, it is quite possible 2/3 of mankind will not survive, as will not the cities built upon sand.

This event may be of our own doing, either because of war, or because we have mined this earth in such a way, that we aid the shaking of the earth on an unimaginably scale.

Then there are those that hope we will carry in the way we are, that all things are just as they should be.

Regards Tony
But if the Lord Jesus Christ came already came from Heaven - and everyone saw Him do this - and the wicked were burned away - why hasn't anyone noticed it?
 

Fallen Prophet

Well-Known Member
I do not see the world will end, what I see ends and is destroyed is our material ways, allowing us to embrace our spiritual selves.

What I see will happen is, a civilization built in material gain will fall and a lot built in that pursuit is layed waste.

We can change our fate, but or requires us to find unity. I am afraid we have past a point of no return, we will face catastrophic change. The change is needed.

Regards Tony
I believe our world is prophesied to end - so not anything we can do to change it.

Of course it's not going to blow up or anything - but as you said - our civilizations will come to an end.

Don't worry - we will get something better.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
That may indeed happen, but that is a very, very distant future. Well before that happens, human life on this planet would have ceased.

Regards Tony
Well, since that future is farther than the begin of life on this planet, I would say that is a truism. It is unlikely our descendants in just a few million years, if they do not get extinct first, can still be called human.

Ciao

- viole
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I believe our world is prophesied to end - so not anything we can do to change it.

Of course it's not going to blow up or anything - but as you said - our civilizations will come to an end.

Don't worry - we will get something better.

No worries as I see God does as God chooses.

We can choose God's Mesengers, or choose not to.

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
No optimist would continuously start pessimistic threads like this. But you're free to think and say you're an optimist. Carry on.

God must be a pessimist then, as the theme runs in all revealed religions.

I only share what is found in those Holy Books.

Personally I live my life according to what is promised in those books, that we will find Unity as one people on one planet under One God. I am full of hope for humanity, but not blinded by my own good fortune.

But many continue to be dulled to the consequences of turning away to the advice given by God.

I have no issues how you see me, but you are not correct.

Regards Tony
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
God must be a pessimist then, as the theme runs in all revealed religions.

Not in mine. Not in lots of them. But you're free to believe otherwise. Pessimism is outside of my paradigm. It must be difficult living a life of worry. I don't envy the Abrahamics.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Not in mine. Not in lots of them. But you're free to believe otherwise. Pessimism is outside of my paradigm. It must be difficult living a life of worry. I don't envy the Abrahamics.

I can assure you there is absolutly 100% no worry. The world as a whole should be concerned with our disunity.

One can fully accept that they can not change what they can not change and accept that one can only change thier own self.

I see you impute many things to Abrahamic, which is in essence a pessimistic approach or veiw of Abrahamic Faiths.

Regards Tony
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I see you impute many things to Abrahamic, which is in essence a pessimistic approach or veiw of Abrahamic Faiths.
Please don't confuse pessimism with realism, or make generalisations about entire groups of people. I know many Abrahamics who have a nice outlook on life. Only the fundamentalists are concerned about end times, sinners, disbelievers like me, and all that 'fun'.

"Religious orthodoxy has failed. The rule of Nations has failed. Our material civilization has failed."
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
It always was & always will be the best of times.
It always was & always will be the worst of times.
Only the perspectives ever change.

I've never gotten the Sad Sack treatment from you. How's the weather? We're back above 0 (C) by quite a bit this week. Beats the 3 weeks of -20 and worse. Weather is an analogy for perspective, although some days I figure I have to stop using analogies because people want to discuss the analogy rather than the topic. Go figure. +5 is brilliantly warm, t-shirt weather here, I wore a hoody shopping this morning. But +5 over in Singapore would be one amazing disaster. Perspective.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Please don't confuse pessimism with realism, or make generalisations about entire groups of people. I know many Abrahamics who have a nice outlook on life. Only the fundamentalists are concerned about end times, sinners, disbelievers like me, and all that 'fun'.

"Religious orthodoxy has failed. The rule of Nations has failed. Our material civilization has failed."

As I have offered Vinayaka, I have only posted in the heading what is offered in religious scriptural warnings and one does not have to be a fundamentalist to see what is written will either be accurate, or it is not.


Regards Tony
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I've never gotten the Sad Sack treatment from you. How's the weather? We're back above 0 (C) by quite a bit this week. Beats the 3 weeks of -20 and worse. Weather is an analogy for perspective, although some days I figure I have to stop using analogies because people want to discuss the analogy rather than the topic. Go figure. +5 is brilliantly warm, t-shirt weather here, I wore a hoody shopping this morning. But +5 over in Singapore would be one amazing disaster. Perspective.
We got up to 0C with a wee bit'o sun today!
But yesterday it got up to 50F with sun all day
during my trip to Lexington.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
We got up to 0C with a wee bit'o sun today!
But yesterday it got up to 50F with sun all day
during my trip to Lexington.
Long drive, there and back. Elevation will change temperature far more than latitude. Southern Alberta (the chinook wind) got to +16 today. When I was a kid, March 14 (my brother's birthday) was about 50-50 for still having our outdoor rink on the farm. The community had a natural ice curling rink. Brutally cold inside that thing some days, but other days it was great.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
When Jesus comes again he will not be of or in the world - for He will come in His glory.
Jesus never said He would come back to this world in His glory or in any other way. Jesus said that His work was finished here and He was no more in this world. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the same man Jesus who walked the earth 2000 years ago will come in His glory. Jesus said that we shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory, but Jesus was not referring to Himself. Coming in the clouds does not refer to physical clouds in the sky, it refers to the clouds of men’s ignorance because their judgment would be clouded when Christ returned.

Who is the Son of man who will come in the clouds of heaven?
He finished His work of Atonement during His mortal ministry - where He suffered for the sins of all and died.
That is true. Baha’u’llah wrote that Jesus besought the one true God the honor of sacrificing Himself as a ransom for the sins and iniquities of all the peoples of the earth. Notably, Jesus never said anything about an original sin committed by Adam and Eve as the reason for His sacrifice.

Before Jesus ascended to heaven, Jesus finished ALL the work He had been given to do by God…

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.


Dying for our sins and inequities was not the main reason Jesus came into the world. The main reason is as follows:

John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

John 18:36 completely negates that Jesus is the King of this world or that Jesus will ever come to this world to rule it, as is commonly believed by Christians.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

To top that off Jesus never promised that He would come back to earth to establish a kingdom. That Christian belief came about from a misinterpretation of the Bible which led to a misunderstanding of Bible verses.
The Comforter is the Holy Ghost - who testifies of the Father and the Son - and he precedes from the Father.
The Comforter is the title of the MAN to whom God gives the Holy Spirit and the Comforter in turn brings the Holy Spirit to humanity. Jesus was a Comforter because he brought the Holy Spirit to humanity. The Holy Spirit is the Bounty of God that comforts people.

Jesus promised to not leave us comfortless and that He would send the Comforter

John 14:18 will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Baha’u’llah was another Comforter, the MAN that Jesus promised to send from the Father. Jesus had to go back to heaven from whence He came so He could tell the Father to send the Comforter.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

The work Jesus did on earth was preparing the way for someone who would come after Him, and Jesus referred to Him as the Comforter and the Spirit of truth. “He” refers to a man, not a Spirit because only a man can speak. Baha’u’llah did everything Jesus said the Comforter and Spirit of truth would do. That is the proof of who He was.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

John 16:12-13 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

John 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.


The Voice of Baha’u’llah is the same Voice as the Voice of Jesus since they were both the Voice of God.

(Continued on next post)
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
The Lord taught that He would come in the glory of His Father with angels and reward every man according to their works (Matthew 16:27).
See the thread I posted below and you will see that the Son of Man in the clouds was never slated to be Jesus. It was Baha’u’llah who came when men’s vision was clouded.

Who is the Son of man who will come in the clouds of heaven?

In Matthew 16:27, Jesus said that the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father. Jesus did not say “I will come in the glory of my Father.”

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
When His disciples asked Him what the signs of His coming would be - and about the end of the world - the Lord told them that there would be much tribulation and false Christs but after all this the people of the Earth would see Him from Heaven with great power and glory (Matthew 24:30).
Matthew 24:2-5 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Please note that when Jesus answered the disciples He never said He was coming, all He said was to be careful because many would come in His name, and many false Christs have, but Baha’u’llah came with a new name (Rev 2:17, Rev 3:12)

But then later, in the same chapter, Jesus told us what would be the signs of the coming of the Son of Man:

Matthew 24:29-30 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

That all happened in the 19th century and still no Jesus, because Jesus never planned or promised to return.

“As we look, we find the events recorded (in Revelation), following on in the order predicted.” (Our Day in the Light of Prophecy, Spicer, p. 77.) These events which he listed were as follows:

1. The Lisbon earthquake, 1755. 1755 Lisbon earthquake
2. The Dark Day, 1780. New England's Dark Day
3. The Falling Stars, 1833. The Falling of the Stars

It is interesting to note that the great star-fall came on the night of 12 November, which is the birthday of Bahá’u’lláh.

Excerpts from: http://bahai-library.com/pdf/s/sears_thief_night.pdf

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Jesus did not say: And I shall send my angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and I shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other, because He was not referring to Himself. After all, Jesus finished His work so there was no reason to come down from heaven.
As His disciples watched the Lord ascend into Heaven two angels told them that He would return in like manner (Acts 1:11).
Acts 1:9-11 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

These verses say that the same spirit of Jesus that was taken up to heaven will return from heaven, from the heaven of the Will of God.

The disciples were staring up into the sky as the spirit of Jesus was taken up to heaven out of their sight. The two men dressed in white (angels) came along and asked why they were staring up into the sky because they wondered why the disciples were staring up into the sky. Then the angels told the disciples that the same spirit of Jesus that was taken up to heaven will return just as it went to heaven.

Descending from heaven upon the clouds means that the spirit of Jesus, the Christ Spirit, will be made manifest from the heaven of the will of God and will appear in the form of the human temple. Though delivered from the womb of Mary, Jesus in reality descended from the heaven of the will of God. Baha’u’llah descended in like manner, from the heaven of the will of God.
The Lord Jesus Christ has not returned yet. When He does come everyone will know and no one will be able to deny it.
Christ already returned in the glory of the Father and His name was Baha’u’llah, but all but a few denied it because they were waiting for the physical body of the same man Jesus to come barreling down from the physical clouds in the sky with actual trumpets and angels since they interpreted the scripture literally when it was never intended to be interpreted literally.

Matthew 7:13-14 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

No worries though because only a few recognized Jesus during the first few centuries, so it was to be expected that only a few would recognize Christ when He returned with a new name. It is nothing to fret over though because eventually everyone on earth will know about Baha’u’llah just as everyone now knows about Jesus. The sheep are now being separated from the goats and they will be fully separated after God exalts His Cause and magnifies His testimony in the eyes of all who are in the heavens and all who are on the earth.

“Warn and acquaint the people, O Servant, with the things We have sent down unto Thee, and let the fear of no one dismay Thee, and be Thou not of them that waver. The day is approaching when God will have exalted His Cause and magnified His testimony in the eyes of all who are in the heavens and all who are on the earth.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 248
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
I look where most cities are built, upon sand and can understand why prophecy warns us to build with strong foundations.
Which are the cities which were/are built with strong foundations. All cities have been destroyed in history, either by enemies or by natural causes (God? :)). Some were rebuilt, some were not. It all depends on location and weather. It will be the same in future also.
 
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