Favourite Atheist arguments

Skeezy said:

How so? It cannot be done with strings or air compressors withot making it obvious as the burst of air you would need to launch glasses across the room be a dead give away. Again i suggest you watch the show and watch as professionals try to debunk it and tell you why this and that rather than us going back and forth. Also at one point the spirit throws a chair onto the table

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This type of activity actually happens a lot in closed businesses like resturaunts etc. If you want sources again, actually watch the show as, they do a very good job of exploring rhe people behind the video and trying to debunk it. If your not going to watch it or check it out your entirely entitled to your biased opinion

Skeezy said:

This type of activity actually happens a lot in closed businesses like resturaunts etc. If you want sources again actually watch the show instead of arrogant assumption. If your not going to watch it or checkit out your entirely entitled to your biased opinion

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LOL! I don't think you understand the concept of "biased opinion".

The fact is that videos like this are easily faked and they are a dime a dozen. If they were real why cannot they reproduce those result when properly studied and observed? That should tell you something.

Skeezy said:

How so? It cannot be done with strings or air compressors withot making it obvious as the burst of air you would need to launch glasses across the room be a dead give away. Again i suggest you watch the show and watch as professionals try to debunk it and tell you why this and that rather than us going back and forth. Also at one point the spirit throws a chair onto the table

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Of course it can be done with strings and other tools. Why do you think it is not possible to fake such results?
Strings of the right color can be very hard to observe. Hidden push rods and other devices can be used.

Such videos are worthless if the results are not reproducible in a properly observed room.

Subduction Zone said:

LOL! I don't think you understand the concept of "biased opinion".

The fact is that videos like this are easily faked and they are a dime a dozen. If they were real why cannot they reproduce those result when properly studied and observed? That should tell you something.

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You are a piece of work lol Ok so your not going to watch it. Head in sand, gotcha

Skeezy said:

You are a piece of work lol Ok so your not going to watch it. Head in sand, gotcha

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No, no, no. I am not the one with my head in the sand. I watched the video in your link. It was a I said a hoot. If you ignore the fact that those results are easily faked and that they cannot reproduce them when properly observed then you are the one with one's head in the sand.

Are you familiar with James Randi?

Subduction Zone said:

Of course it can be done with strings and other tools. Why do you think it is not possible to fake such results?
Strings of the right color can be very hard to observe. Hidden push rods and other devices can be used.

Such videos are worthless if the results are not reproducible in a properly observed room.

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You saying that is exaxtly why you should watch the show.. done with you guy. You act like Im the one talking out of his @**. They've never been able to... what are your sources for saying that? Lol

im not going to debate with willfull ignorance. I said its not my job to prove anything either watch or dont. I know what biased means. I said watch the show you say I have no sources. I say watch the show and i actually managed to find two short clips that were arcually on the show but not the full videos or the details or context of of the show debunking etc.

In short watch the damn show or dont. Not watching the show, assuming you know what the show does and choosing to take a stance of know-it-all-ness is why I called you biased

Skeezy said:

You saying that is exaxtly why you should watch the show.. done with you guy

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Don't get mad just because your beliefs were shown to be without merit. You are not going to find too many overly credulous people here.

Skeezy said:

You saying that is exaxtly why you should watch the show.. done with you guy

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Subduction Zone said:

Don't get mad just because your beliefs were shown to be without merit. You are not going to find too many overly credulous people here.

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Did you see the show yet? ...

Then you dont know if there is merit or not. All you have is a biased highly assuming opinion. Your continuation to speak without actually looking into it says a lot about your credibility of being conversation worthy

Favourite Atheist arguments

Theist: There's an invisible god out there.

Atheist: Oh yeah? Which one is it this time?

Skeezy said:

Did you see the show yet? ...

Then you dont know if there is merit or not. All you have is a biased highly assuming opinion. Your continuation to speak without actually looking into it says a lot about your credibility of being conversation worthy

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I saw your link to the Sun, did you have another one? And don't make false personal claims about other posters, it is against the rules here. I have not made any snarky comments about your intelligence. I have merely pointed out the terrible flaws in your so called evidence.

By the way, you need to learn the concept of the burden of proof.

Skeezy said:

You are a piece of work lol Ok so your not going to watch it. Head in sand, gotcha

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On the other hand, you might be just too gullible? So many cameras about now yet no really good shots of UFOs? Why so? Apart from the fact that is so easy now to fake such - as it is for so many of the other phenomena mentioned.

Subduction Zone said:

I saw your link to the Sun, did you have another one? And don't make false personal claims about other posters, it is against the rules here. I have not made any snarky comments about your intelligence. I have merely pointed out the terrible flaws in your so called evidence.

By the way, you need to learn the concept of the burden of proof.

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You haven't even looked at the evidence. You refuse to do so. I apologize but its pretty thick headed to gloat in a context that hasnt even looked at the material.

The burden of proof is not on me. I told you where it was. Its on you to look at it or not. Everything after that is just nonsense . Until you actually check out the proof season 1 and 2 of the show. Your speaking from an ignorant stance. Thats basic facts not insults. The fact that you are so ready to pre gloat without ever looking is nonsense. Step outside yourself and re read this whole conversation. Realize, Im not the one that doesnt make any sense. You still have not watched it yet pre gloat from a unknowledgable stance. Thats all thats happening right now.


I said the poltergeist video isnt the whole video, its just what i managed to find as once a video is aired on the show becomes harder to find, I assume due to copyrights.

I told you they do theIr best to debunk these videos. They explain why it couldnt be strings or anything your dismissive assumptions would mention. thatvis not the only video there are many. Many which you still have not seen because you refuse to even look at the evidence yet you keep going

Mock Turtle said:

On the other hand, you might be just too gullible? So many cameras about now yet no really good shots of UFOs? Why so? Apart from the fact that is so easy now to fake such - as it is for so many of the other phenomena mentioned.

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There are plenty of good videos of UFO's. I also mentioned some videos leaked from the navy and the navy admitted they are real. There are plenty of UFO shots and if you did research you would know thats twice very large ufo's have hovered over cities/bridges and were filmed by everyone. Again dont assume just because ya dont know. There are plenty of videos of the same ufo captured by mutliple people from different locations. One triangle shaped one hovred over the pentagon and was filmed by many people driving on the highway.

Here is what I could find but the show has hundreds of videos and goes more in depth.




These are on the show as well as well as lots of other paranormal things. The top one is one of the videos the navy leaked and the 2nd one is just a very good shot possibly fake but very well done if it is. It also has not been debunked at all.

There are thousands more videos some caught by multiple people from different perspectives.


When hearing of paranormal videos people tend to think they already know but you have not seen these videos on this show. If you did you would most likely change your tune as they pour in from all over the world even remote locations.

Rakes (google them), sea serpents, big foot/yeti, spirits are all caugh on camera semi regularly around the world.

Also videos of spirits also share traits regardless of world location. Videos with poltegeists are just that. Other videos where a spirit manifests usually have either a drain of power (lights flicker camera batter drain etc) or a small orb of light that passes near where the activity occurs or both. The orb of light or multiple orbs of light, is a shared trait of videos of shadow figures, residual enegeries etc and this is somewhat uniform around the world.

Again these videos are hard to find now even if you know whatvyour looking for all I can sabis watch the show then judge

The only reason I even posted any clips is because dude said it was lens flare which is clearly pre arrogant judgement and clearly not the case in any video I displayed. Dont make his mistake of assuming you know until you see. TBH skepticism is expected which is why I say just watch the show.

I also found this it is far away but when he zooms in you can see it walking on two legs. On the show they didgitally enhance video snd audio to zoom in even further and other videos like the one I posted earlier of the possible sea serpent you can actually hear the animal its eating squeal in the enhanced audio.

After they actually watch two seasons a lot of people will realize their in denial. Humans have explored less than 20% of the earths forest areas and even less of the ocean. To assume theat nothing paranormal exists is just that an assumption. Just watch it.

I'll be back in a week or two to discuss spirits and then ultimately god and reality...But first I have to break everyones reality and shoe them that there is is plenty of unexplicable but highly passed on history of things which actually do exist even though you currently think they dont. 15 years ago man thought giant squids were myth. Now, they are factually studied and logged as real. Where did this breakthrouh occur, on the show river monsters. They later did another show where they caught one and studied it.

The point is peoples bubble makes them think they know everything without ever looking into it. Im trying to bust bubbles (remove blinders) so people can see beyond assumption. Then we can talk wether god is real or not. P.s. he definitely is

Skeezy said:

There are plenty of good videos of UFO's. I also mentioned some videos leaked from the navy and the navy admitted they oare real. There are plenty of UFO shots and uf you did research you would know thats twice very large ufo's have hovered over cities/bridges and were filmed by everyone. Again dont assume just because ya dont know

Here is what I could find but the show has hundreds of videos

These are on the show as well as well as lots of other paranormal things. The tip one is one of the videos the navy leaked the 2nd one is just a very good shot possibly fake but very well done if it is. It also has not been debunked

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And you don't think there might be other motivations for this kind of stuff? I would suggest you are being naive. I have seen some of the TV programmes peddling this stuff, often showing images purported to be what was seen but representations of such and so believable. Still the problem remains - why no decent images of UFOs when there are so many cameras about?

What is behind the decline in UFO sightings? | World news | The Guardian

According to the cultural historian Stuart Walton, “Belief in UFOs is definitely in a state of decline, along with much else that could be classed as paranormal. Part of the reason is that the technology for providing documentary evidence of such matters is now widely available to everybody with a smartphone, and such purported evidence as there is on YouTube looks extremely threadbare.” He adds: “It isn't so much that belief can exist without proof; it's that it must emphatically avoid proof to remain belief. We are in the process, paradoxically, of proving a negative hypothesis with UFOs: there never was any such thing.”

Makes more sense to me, even if we don't have explanations for every single event.

PS I still think the Navy images are an insect in the system - given the rotational movements.

Mock Turtle said:

And you don't think there might be other motivations for this kind of stuff? I would suggest you are being naive. I have seen some of the TV programmes peddling this stuff, often showing images purported to be what was seen but representations of such and so believable. Still the problem remains - why no decent images of UFOs when there are so many cameras about?

What is behind the decline in UFO sightings? | World news | The Guardian

According to the cultural historian Stuart Walton, “Belief in UFOs is definitely in a state of decline, along with much else that could be classed as paranormal. Part of the reason is that the technology for providing documentary evidence of such matters is now widely available to everybody with a smartphone, and such purported evidence as there is on YouTube looks extremely threadbare.” He adds: “It isn't so much that belief can exist without proof; it's that it must emphatically avoid proof to remain belief. We are in the process, paradoxically, of proving a negative hypothesis with UFOs: there never was any such thing.”

Makes more sense to me, even if we don't have explanations for every single event.

PS I still think the Navy images are an insect in the system - given the rotational movements.

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There are several problems with the insect theory. The pilots talking is the initial one, the fact this isnt the only video of this kind of u.f.o.. and lastly the navy public stated that this and several other videos of other U.F.O.s are real. It doesnt benefit the navy to muck around with an official statement. Research it more in depth and you wil find its real. There are literally thousands more videos of Ufo's sometimes with whole crowds of people present and many are clearly visible.

Watch the first two seasons of Paranormal Caught on . It has sparked similar shows some have a different different premiss like trying to recreate and debunk. But by the middle of the 2nd season you wont know what to believe anymore.

The 3rd season and forward they ran out of good videos. Many are still decent but the first two seasons have the best videos. I cant find or link all the videos as I said you just have to eatch the show. I know you said you may have seen an episode or two before but actually watch it and you may find that you dont know what you think you did

Another paranormal creature spotted around the worlds even in lesser devloped areas is a rake.

The rake is a humanoid creature that walks on two legs or all fours. They camaflouge well in the woods but attack if they know they are spotted.

Their arms and legs are too skinny to be someone in a suit not to mention the legs are hinged backwards. It to is spotted in woods all over the world. Its more recent and doesnt have much mythical lore but has been filmed hundreds of times. There is even one video I found years ago which was not on the show where the guy filming didnt make it and his camera was found. I can no longer find that video though

Also here #5 was also featured on
It is short and simple but is another video that the navy said is real. Also read the article underneath it.

The 5 Most Credible Modern UFO Sightings

As in with the previous video where the pilot locks on to something (planes cant lock on to a bug on the windshield also i doubt a bug could stay on a jets windshield ) flying unusually at a high rate of speed that flies without wings.

Could be fake but his fear seems very real after the point of no return


This is one of the first videos on the show it is a school at night. The show actually got the people from the school to speak on it. They are animate that they checked and no one setup anythinf before or after this.


Again this is not the full video l. it later opens a locker and throws papers, it also throws a book bag along with moving more chairs. In this portion when it seems like there is nothing to te see there is actually a chair that levitates in the backround about a foot and half off the floor. The full video is about a minute longer. I'll see if I can find it. There is a video of a guy that boasts he debunked the video but fails to explain the levitating chair or the clearly visible bookbag being thrown down the hallway (in the full video)


Sorry about the top video its the 2nd part. I'll look for the part where he actually opens the dybukk box. In short he ordered a dybbukk box and used devices to try and see if there is actually a spirit. All signs pointed to yes and he opened the box anyway as soon as he broke the seal activity started to happen in his house

found part one, again this could be faked but his reactions are very convincing. He does a great job of showing that he is alone and showing the area (under the table) while he is testing the box and after activity happens.

These are only small samples of what is actually shown on the show. The show goes way more in depth and has hundreds more videos. These videos arent made by producers and like I said some videos cant be debunk especially when they are caught by multiple people who saw the same thing from different perspectives which gives a lot of videos more crexdibility. Each video has its own source and the show explains who they are or actually brings them in to explain they then go over the video and offer possible debunks or non debunks.

Strings are a common way to try to fake ghost activity. However strings cannot throw heavy objects from plain sight. The web of strings that would have been needed to make the poltergeist video would have been visible since the soirit ulttimately re arranges the entire room and throws things across the room, some of which have been in plain sight the whole time.

In another similar poltergeist video from the show (which I cant find myself) the spirit is throwing things too heavy to be pulled with a string. In another video the spirit actually moves ojects that a human could not move such as stone columns...

Watch the show

Skeezy said:

There are several problems with the insect theory. The pilots talking is the initial one, the fact this isnt the only video of this kind of u.f.o.. and lastly the navy public stated that this and several other videos of other U.F.O.s are real. It doesnt benefit the navy to muck around with an official statement. Research it more in depth and you wil find its real. There are literally thousands more videos of Ufo's sometimes with whole crowds of people present and many are clearly visible.

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UFOs are real - as in unidentified flying objects, so no surprise they would say such, but it doesn't imply that little green men are flying any. Still no evidence that would pass any scientific test from what I am aware, and I have been alive longer than the UFO phenomenon (1947?), and being interested in science, I obviously have looked into all this and do try to follow any news about such.

Watch the first two seasons of Paranormal Caught on . It has sparked similar shows some have a different different premiss like trying to recreate and debunk. But by the middle of the 2nd season you wont know what to believe anymore.

The 3rd season and forward they ran out of good videos. Many are still decent but the first two seasons have the best videos. I cant find or link all the videos as I said you just have to eatch the show. I know you said you may have seen an episode or two before but actually watch it and you may find that you dont know what you think you did

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As I said, and apart from UFOs, I have looked into most things labelled as paranormal, and for me they just don't stack up. If there was anything it would soon be in the science news. But this doesn't mean that I therefore don't believe in alien life, because I think it highly likely it exists, just that the chances of us interacting with any are extremely small.