War, the final battle.

TransmutingSoul · Mar 3, 2021

lewisnotmiller said:
What is it about this particular occassion that makes predictions of world ending events more trustworthy than the past X number of times people have identified these signs?

Why have people seen these signs through history?

Personally I see that History shows us civilization built on material wealth, forgetful of our spiritual nature, have all vanished.

I also see all Holy Books talk of this and if they contain truth, the warnings are applicable.

The next 20 or so years will be quite interesting. I see the push for a global vision will increase and we can see that Nations will not bow to that concept easily.

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Mar 3, 2021

adrian009 said:
Hi Tony,

Hope the month of fasting is going well for you. My initial response is “What leads you to conclude the failure of religious orthodoxy, the failure of nations and the failure of material civilisation?” I see you’ve already answered that question to some extent.

I suspect many of us will have widely different perspectives on each of these questions. I don’t think the world is going to end anytime soon but I see there see a number of challenges and threats to humanity as a whole. I think we are at a crossroad and have been for sometime. We have a crisis in a number of key areas.

I could be more specific but have said enough for now. I will be interested in how your thread unfolds.

Hi Adrian, I hope the fast is as good to you as it is to me.

I see there is a lot of directions that humanity can head in.

Personally I see for the world to embrace unity, that kind dialogue has not worked, it appears change only is contemplated, after world encompassing trials visit us.

Personally I do not see this as doomsday, but a cleansing and an awakening, something we can all choose to go through at any time, either with material consequences, or without.

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Mar 3, 2021

exchemist said:
On the other hand, the global trends of vastly improved life expectancy, declines in birth rates and poverty, the disappearance of barbaric practices such as human sacrifice, and the hopeful signs of global collaboration on climate change suggest that there is progress.

Progress seems to run alongside the destruction of other ways.

Even though medicine does a lot of good on the other hand I think that modern medicine has also caused of a lot of our issues. I see we are changing genetics, which is playing with things we are yet to fully understand, we overuse drugs and antibiotics and medical procedures etc.

There are so many poisons we have put into the system, it is scary to consider how much illness we have caused.

A balance needs to be drawn, the future of medicine will be interesting.

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Mar 3, 2021

Twilight Hue said:
Before or after Genghis Khan?

There has indeed a lot of conflict since then.

Regards Tony

Bird123 · Mar 3, 2021

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
A great battle is unfolding.

Religious orthodoxy has failed. The rule of Nations has failed. Our material civilization has failed.

The war between what is good and what is not good is approaching a final battle.

It brings verse 30 of the Quran to light

"Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah."

What is your vision of the future of this world?

Regards Tony

So often the greatest battle will be within oneself.

It doesn't matter what everyone else does. It's what you choose to do that counts.

We all have the power to Choose what we deem important. We can choose to see doom and gloom or we can choose to see the goodness in others and nurture that. I wonder why you are so blind to all the wonderful good people in this world.

Indeed, Allah has a Great Plan for us all, however it has never ever been the plan you think or dream of. I think religion has corrupted your thinking.

To reach a Higher Level one can not value those petty things mankind holds so dear like Controlling Others, Ruling, Hating, Judging, Condemning, Punishing, Intimidating, Coercing and such. One will never be able to create a Heavenly State for oneself without learning to Love Unconditionally. I'm afraid I see very little Unconditional Love in your post.

You might see the world as a Mess. In reality, it is a Masterpiece!! Why do you think Allah would have it any other way? Allah does not require anyone to do anything for Him. Do not allow others to convince you otherwise.

We should all work at making our very Best choices for that is what generates our Lessons in Life. It has always been within each of our hands.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

TransmutingSoul · Mar 3, 2021

Bird123 said:
So often the greatest battle will be within oneself.

It doesn't matter what everyone else does. It's what you choose to do that counts.

We all have the power to Choose what we deem important. We can choose to see doom and gloom or we can choose to see the goodness in others and nurture that. I wonder why you are so blind to all the wonderful good people in this world.

Indeed, Allah has a Great Plan for us all, however it has never ever been the plan you think or dream of. I think religion has corrupted your thinking.

To reach a Higher Level one can not value those petty things mankind holds so dear like Controlling Others, Ruling, Hating, Judging, Condemning, Punishing, Intimidating, Coercing and such. One will never be able to create a Heavenly State for oneself without learning to Love Unconditionally. I'm afraid I see very little Unconditional Love in your post.

You might see the world as a Mess. In reality, it is a Masterpiece!! Why do you think Allah would have it any other way? Allah does not require anyone to do anything for Him. Do not allow others to convince you otherwise.

We should all work at making our very Best choices for that is what generates our Lessons in Life. It has always been within each of our hands.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

Indeed the battle of self is the only one we get to choose.

Personally I do not see what will happen in this world is in conflict with unconditional Love.

God is Love, God allows us to take our journey in this world and allows our mistakes.

All the while we plan what we plan, and God plans and God is the best of planner's.

So in the end, it is God that knows what we will face and what will become of the world we live in.

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Mar 3, 2021

sun rise said:
To me the physical final war has happened with WWII. The act of one man saving the world from annihilation during the Cuban Missile Crisis was the peak of that battle. While wars have not ended, we've seen the longest stretch of relative piece in recorded history.

The darkness has not totally passed as is evident from the news.

But the dawn is just breaking like spring starts doing in winter when there are subtle signs that the season is changing. I've posted this before, but again:

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Even the pandemic is exposing issues to be solved and showing the future is starting as companies and countries work on vaccines and treatments.

Some people sense that change. I see this in images like this one:View attachment 48218

That is the vision of a world that has found unity.

The OP is what may happen before we find that Unity.

There is many prophecies in the Holy books about a day such as this, the question is do we think we are exempt from these prophecies unfolding?

Regards Tony

9-10ths_Penguin · Mar 3, 2021

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
A great battle is unfolding.

Religious orthodoxy has failed. The rule of Nations has failed. Our material civilization has failed.

The war between what is good and what is not good is approaching a final battle.

It brings verse 30 of the Quran to light

"Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah."

What is your vision of the future of this world?

Regards Tony

That's quite the revenge fantasy.

You okay?

lewisnotmiller · Mar 3, 2021

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Personally I see that History shows us civilization built on material wealth, forgetful of our spiritual nature, have all vanished.

I also see all Holy Books talk of this and if they contain truth, the warnings are applicable.

The next 20 or so years will be quite interesting. I see the push for a global vision will increase and we can see that Nations will not bow to that concept easily.

Regards Tony

That's not quite what I asked though. Perhaps I can restate my question a different way. Were I to compare your prophecy of end times to those made around the turn of the first millennium, why do you think yours are more compelling?

sun rise · Mar 3, 2021

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
do we think we are exempt from these prophecies unfolding?

No but depends on how one interprets those prophecies.

epronovost · Mar 3, 2021

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
The arms race a first and 2nd world war, other wars, the cold war, the opression of citizens does not to me indicate a progressive rule of justice.

Unity of the Human race will indicate a progressive thought.

Regards Tony

There has never been so few wars and crime in human history and while there has been a slight slip on democracy index in the last few years and problems linked to climate change, we are, in all fairness in better shape than humanity has ever been.

TransmutingSoul · Mar 3, 2021

9-10ths_Penguin said:
That's quite the revenge fantasy.

You okay?

Yes well and happy, what about you, I hope you are.

They say vengeance belongs to God.

Deuteronomy32:35
"To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste."

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Mar 3, 2021

lewisnotmiller said:
That's not quite what I asked though. Perhaps I can restate my question a different way. Were I to compare your prophecy of end times to those made around the turn of the first millennium, why do you think yours are more compelling?

They are not really mine, though the comments are based on my understanding of what was warned against.

I can say there is much written, it is up to us to consider those warnings.

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Mar 3, 2021

sun rise said:
No but depends on how one interprets those prophecies.

Yes indeed is does need interpretation and that is not our to do.

The clear warning we have been given is that we are asked as to where all the past great civilizations are, do they still stand or are they ruins upon the dust. Where is the glory of those civilizations?

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Mar 3, 2021

epronovost said:
There has never been so few wars and crime in human history and while there has been a slight slip on democracy index in the last few years and problems linked to climate change, we are, in all fairness in better shape than humanity has ever been.

Appearances can be very deceiving. This world is currently doing just that.

The goal posts have also moved, much crime has become a way of life for many. They think nothing of lying and cheating.

No one can trust most of what is offered.

Regards Tony

epronovost · Mar 3, 2021

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Appearances can be very deceiving. This world is currently doing just that.

Indeed. You are deceived by some apocalyptic preacher.

The goal posts have also moved, much crime has become a way of life for many.

Is it about women voting and gay people getting married again?

9-10ths_Penguin · Mar 3, 2021

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Yes well and happy, what about you, I hope you are.

They say vengeance belongs to God.

Deuteronomy32:35
"To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste."

Regards Tony

And I say that each believer in God constructs their own version of God based on what they think is good and right.

So whose "calamity" are you looking forward to?

Fallen Prophet · Mar 3, 2021

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
A great battle is unfolding.

Religious orthodoxy has failed. The rule of Nations has failed. Our material civilization has failed.

The war between what is good and what is not good is approaching a final battle.

It brings verse 30 of the Quran to light

"Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah."

What is your vision of the future of this world?

Regards Tony

There will be natural disasters and bloodshed before Christ comes again.

After He comes there will be a thousand years of peace.

Then the Final Battle will take place - where Christ will win and the Earth will be celestialized.

epronovost · Mar 4, 2021

Fallen Prophet said:
There will be natural disasters and bloodshed before Christ comes again.

There are natural disasters and wars (or episodes of mass bloodhsed) every year so that's not much of a prediction.

sun rise · Mar 4, 2021

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
The clear warning we have been given is that we are asked as to where all the past great civilizations are, do they still stand or are they ruins upon the dust. Where is the glory of those civilizations?

Nothing lasts forever including civilizations. They are born, grow, reach maturity and eventually die.

And just like everything else, their longevity and health can be nurtured and enhanced.

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