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When Will It End?

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Unveiled Artist

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sun rise said:
But I've not heard or read of a case where that was the issue. What seems to be the case is a bunch of selfish entitled people claiming to have such a disability to avoid being responsible adults. They mess it up for the few who are truly unable to wear masks.
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Unfortunately, they do. While the error is on them when it comes to that, it doesn't mean we need to confound the problem. People are afraid of risk of transmission, so it makes sense a bit to have some negative feelings-when you don't know, you get a bit antzy.

When I went to the bank awhile back and they said they can refuse service to anyone regardless the disability (though rare), they said they were a private owned bank and they can't discriminate (or guess) who is disabled and who isn't. It's sad and it makes sense. If there were cards that said one doesn't need a mask or, as CDC says, an alternative, I'm sure doctors won't just sign and give people cards just because. Since it's not a law just a mandate, it's not under ADA so stores can refuse service. A lot of stores out of technicality since they are so big, it makes me wonder why masks are necessary.

It's good that your link does take not wearing a mask into consideration. But I agree, people abuse it. What can stores do but to side with the majority.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Debater Slayer said:
Your opinion isn't more medically significant than that of the experts who agree that, with very few exceptions, masks are extremely helpful in reducing transmission. I find it both irresponsible and intellectually careless to simply state one's opinion as if it were of any real significance on a topic where objective science and measurable effects are available criteria for effectiveness or lack thereof.
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Opinions are just that. I never offered them as facts.

Masks are helpful, of course. The issue isn't their efficiently (meds work but not everyone can take certain medications), just who is it appropriate for and who isn't.

We all state our opinions. I just accept my opinions as such.

I never questioned their effectiveness and never questioned the science behind it. So, what you're saying isn't relevant in what I'm saying.

Debater Slayer said:
Nowhere on that list do I see any mention of "don't wear one if you feel it smothers you!" or "don't wear one if you can't handle a minor inconvenience as an adult in order to reduce the risk of infection for yourself and others."

The objections of the obstinate and anti-science crowd are nowhere to be seen on that list; only extremely limited and severe cases that genuinely make it harmful for someone to wear a mask. For the vast majority of people, those don't apply.
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Of course it doesn't. Where did you get that from?

I never made those arguments. I just said that there are reasons why people can't wear masks. CDC says there are alternatives. However, not all people care about people who can't wear masks. Majority wins, I guess.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
The Hammer said:
Masks are not being used as "hate" targets afaik. And all the science points to masks as being the single best way to slow the transmission of this virus. Sure, certain people can't where a mask, that does not negate the efficacy of, or the reasoning behind requiring them in the first place.
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Science aside, on RF alone, people are belittling others who don't wear masks. If it's not hate (or similar word) what is it?

One of the best ways not a single best way.

I never said it did.

The Hammer said:
" research from the American Medical Association, which studied 211 counties across 36 states, found three factors besides masks that are best for slowing the spread of coronavirus.

The first is temperatures in the 60s. The second is small population sizes. The third being social distancing.

Social distancing is said to be the best way to stop the spread of the virus. But we must utilize it more often, according to Dr. Brian Fischer.

“Not just some of the time – all of the time,” said Dr. Fischer, an infectious disease pediatrician with the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

Dr. Fischer, as one of the doctors who worked on the study, doesn’t believe, however, that this is the time time to take our masks off and let our guards down."
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A lot of this is common knowledge. I compare it to doctors who wear masks when doing surgeries, etc. Yet, they take them off when they're out the hospital. I feel it has its place. CDC agrees with that too. But people's opinions, gosh, some people are downright nasty. It's good I don't experience this in person but I've heard stories. Some people even ask questions if they should walk up to complete strangers and tell them to wear their masks. One person almost got beat up for it.

Reading your link.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
The Hammer said:
Masks are not being used as "hate" targets afaik. And all the science points to masks as being the single best way to slow the transmission of this virus. Sure, certain people can't where a mask, that does not negate the efficacy of, or the reasoning behind requiring them in the first place.

" research from the American Medical Association, which studied 211 counties across 36 states, found three factors besides masks that are best for slowing the spread of coronavirus.

The first is temperatures in the 60s. The second is small population sizes. The third being social distancing.

Social distancing is said to be the best way to stop the spread of the virus. But we must utilize it more often, according to Dr. Brian Fischer.

“Not just some of the time – all of the time,” said Dr. Fischer, an infectious disease pediatrician with the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

Dr. Fischer, as one of the doctors who worked on the study, doesn’t believe, however, that this is the time time to take our masks off and let our guards down."

New study determines whether masks or social distancing is more effective fighting COVID-19
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Let me ask. Why is it a question whether social distancing is better than masks or vis versa? If you're not close to people, you can't spread it if you have it. If you are and wear masks, you can still have germs and transmit it. They say if you cannot social distance wear a mask. They seem to be putting social distancing first (and isolation the best way), but why don't others see the difference?
 
The Hammer

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Unveiled Artist said:
Science aside, on RF alone, people are belittling others who don't wear masks. If it's not hate (or similar word) what is it?

One of the best ways not a single best way.

I never said it did.



A lot of this is common knowledge. I compare it to doctors who wear masks when doing surgeries, etc. Yet, they take them off when they're out the hospital. I feel it has its place. CDC agrees with that too. But people's opinions, gosh, some people are downright nasty. It's good I don't experience this in person but I've heard stories. Some people even ask questions as if they should walk up to complete strangers and tell them to wear their masks. One person almost got beat up for it.

Reading your link.
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"One of the best ways" so what I'm hearing is wear a mask. I'm not telling you how to live your life, but if I'm around others not wearing a mask, I leave the area. *Shrug* that's as much as I get to hate. Seething at ineptitude sure. But not everything requires confrontation. Now I have no idea where you live, but I have not heard of a single incidence here of someone being "targeted" for not wearing a mask.

Now the internet is another story. People think they can hide by being anonymous on the internet, or at least "I'll never actually see this person on the street" mentality. There are no filters on social media, which is why I abstain from it, that unbridled negativity is nothing but toxic. But if you let internet hatred spill over into affecting your real life, it's time to take a step back and reevaluate.
 
The Hammer

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Unveiled Artist said:
Let me ask. Why is it a question whether social distancing is better than masks or vis versa? If you're not close to people, you can't spread it if you have it. If you are and wear masks, you can still have germs and transmit it. They say if you cannot social distance wear a mask. They seem to be putting social distancing first (and isolation the best way), but why don't others see the difference?
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You need to do both, if people aren't mandated to wear a mask when in enclosed and public spaces, we have already seen they will fight tooth and nail not to. They won't even utilize the courtesy of carrying a mask with them in case they can't social distance. It is a recipe for creating another wave of this virus. Just like what happened last summer when restrictions were eased, and all the cases jumped because people didn't care to mask OR social distance (Memorial Day weekend). Are our memories that short?

As to why it's even a question to begin with, if I'm understanding your bolded claim, it's because states like Texas that want to go against everything the CDC has been saying from the get go, because DJT and Senate/House politicized this virus right out the gate. Instead of standing by the experts in solidarity at the outset.
 
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U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
The Hammer said:
You need to do both, if people are mandated to wear a mask when in enclosed and public spaces, we have already seen they will fight tooth and nail not to. They won't even utilize the courtesy of carrying a mask with them in case they can't social distance. It is a recipe for creating another wave of this virus. Just like what happened last summer when restrictions were eased, and all the cases jumped because people didn't care to mask OR social distance (Memorial Day weekend). Are our memories that short?
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What I'm annoyed with is being in a building with three people,and all are antzy about masks when we're no where near each other. Quite a few people are smart and may not wear a mask depending on the crowd not because they're in a building. I talked with one antimask guy at the skating rink. It wasn't a big issue because we're not too afraid of risks unless a situation presents itself.

I can see restrictions easing on states that have little population therefore near to no cases. Usually, restrictions increase because we have evidence of a spike. Cases are still going up, I guess, so I highly doubt it's the handful of nonmasked people. There's a lot of ways germs spread. What makes me laugh is how we think we can "fight the virus." Makes it seem like this virus is an enemy and somehow masks are like sheilds and can block any transmission 100%.

Eh. I'm in Va. We don't have mask issues here so far I know. But we have varying opinions about it.
 
The Hammer

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Unveiled Artist said:
What I'm annoyed with is being in a building with three people,and all are antzy about masks when we're no where near each other. It wasn't a big issue because we're not too afraid of risks unless a situation presents itself.

I can see restrictions easing on states that have little population therefore near to no cases. Usually, restrictions increase because we have evidence of a spike. Cases are still going up, I guess, so I highly doubt it's the handful of nonmasked people. There's a lot of ways germs spread. What makes me laugh is how we think we can "fight the virus." Makes it seem like this virus is an enemy and somehow masks are like sheilds and can block any transmission 100%.
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Your annoyance, and singular lack of not caring about the risks (btw tell me how you know an asymptomatic person is sick, since you'll risk it), doesn't count as reasons to not wear a mask.

Cases are going up, than why ease restrictions? For the umpteenth billionth time, it's not about "fighting the virus", like we can actually eradicate it via masking. Just slowing it's spread, which both masks and social distancing does.

My wife got sick while working in a small office of 4 people, her work was the only place she really has gone during this pandemic, yet she got sick anyways. Why are we making things easier to spread?
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The Hammer said:
You can't compare one pandemic to another, this virus has already mutated twice that alone makes a difference.
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It mutated during the Spanish flu too and it still ended while having a far more primitive medical capability to boot

There is no reason whatsoever to think this one is any worse than in the past that would make lockdowns and masking indefinite.
 
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Twilight Hue said:
It mutated during the Spanish flu too and it still ended and with a far more primitive medical capability to boot.

There is no reason whatsoever to think this one is any worse than in the past that would make lockdowns and masking indefinite.
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I didn't know you were a doctor. I should take your opinions, gut feelings, as fact?
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
The Hammer said:
Your annoyance, and singular lack of not caring about the risks (btw tell me how you know an asymptomatic person is sick, since you'll risk it), doesn't count as reasons to not wear a mask.
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Risks have their place. If I'm not around people, I'm not afraid of risks. If I were in a high-risk category, then I'd be a bit more concerned. I've had cancer scares, blood clot scares, this and that, to find out after MRIs and testings and so forth they were brain scars and things like that. So, I cannot afford to take risks more seriously unless the situation presents itself.

But that's a fear-statement. Every person in the world can be asymptomatic. We don't just wake up asymptomatic. Someone who rarely goes out his or her house has near less risk of being asymptomatic if any than someone who has been around people who may or may not have the virus.

The Hammer said:
Cases are going up, than why ease restrictions? For the umpteenth billionth time, it's not about "fighting the virus", like we can actually eradicate it via masking. Just slowing it's spread, which both masks and social distancing does.
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The media says "fighting the virus." It's a bit irritating how they phrase it on television, online, and so forth.

People are cases even before they are diagnosed. I went to the hospital one time for a test and the nurse said if a person had COVID symptoms (which overlap other illnesses) they must mark it as a case and send the "case" to a bigger hospital. So, I don't put much concern with cases. Diagnosis a bit more but not all people die from COVID. But the deaths... like other illnesses, it's always a combination of things.

It does, yes. I never said it didn't.

The Hammer said:
My wife got sick while working in a small office of 4 people, her work was the only place she really has gone during this pandemic, yet she got sick anyways. Why are we making things easier to spread?
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Germs. Germs don't care about masks. We have mask regulations here and we have a COVID case. the sickest part about it is when one resident came from out of the country and did not have COVID, people were dodging him, telling management "here he comes. Here he comes." Fear. The resident who does have COVID, I heard accidently at the office. It doesn't bother me but the people I live around are three or four times older than me, so I can understand the fear.
 
Debater Slayer

Debater Slayer

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Unveiled Artist said:
What I'm annoyed with is being in a building with three people,and all are antzy about masks when we're no where near each other. Quite a few people are smart and may not wear a mask depending on the crowd not because they're in a building. I talked with one antimask guy at the skating rink. It wasn't a big issue because we're not too afraid of risks unless a situation presents itself.
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Hopefully you understand that even if you don't care about taking risks yourself, catching the virus means you could transmit it to another person who could either have severe symptoms or die from it. This isn't like when a smoker or frequent drinker says "I don't care about the risk of cancer!" and not make others sick because of their decision to take that risk; this is a highly contagious disease.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

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Debater Slayer said:
Hopefully you understand that even if you don't care about taking risks yourself, catching the virus means you could transmit it to another person who could either have severe symptoms or die from it. This isn't like when a smoker or frequent drinker says "I don't care about the risk of cancer!" and not make others sick because of their decision to take that risk; this is a highly contagious disease.
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It's not, not caring about the risks (not specific to COVID just any illness), it's prioritizing how much I should put my energy in one thing over another. What's at my immediate concern. No one wakes up and says "oh! I must be asymptomatic." That flip flop got everyone crazy. I don't live in an environment like that. It's not a bomb. so worry has it's place.

No. It's I'm not at high risk, from say, lung cancer so I won't worry about it to an extent to where I would do like other people do. I've never been a "let's run with the majority." Since I don't smoke et cetera, I have no reason to put or even think about that. If I went to the doctor and said "by gosh, I 'may' have lung cancer," the doctor would look at me funny, do his test, and say no.

Do you feel I should be running around like a chicken with her head chopped off?
 
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