John 14:12

"12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." -John 14:12

In this verse, Jesus says that those who believe in him will not only do similar miracles that he's done, but will also do greater works. Some of these works include:

• Turning water into wine
• Feeding thousands of people with 5 loaves and 2 fish
• Healing leprosy
• Raising people from the dead
• Walking on water and calming storms
• Curing blindness (even people born blind)
• Etc

So, have you seen these kind of miracles in your life? Have you done them yourself? What things greater have you seen and done than these that people have done in Jesus' name?

SigurdReginson said:

"12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." -John 14:12

In this verse, Jesus says that those who believe in him will not only do similar miracles that he's done, but will also do greater works. Some of these works include:

• Turning water into wine
• Feeding thousands of people with 5 loaves and 2 fish
• Healing leprosy
• Raising people from the dead
• Walking on water and calming storms
• Curing blindness (even people born blind)
• Etc

So, have you seen these kind of miracles in your life? Have you done them yourself? What things greater have you seen and done than these that people have done in Jesus' name?

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So you take that all literally?

Regiomontanus said:

So you take that all literally?

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Well, Jesus did speak in parables, so it's absolutely plausible that it was one. How should one take it? What's the meaning, if it is a parable?

SigurdReginson said:

"12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." -John 14:12

In this verse, Jesus says that those who believe in him will not only do similar miracles that he's done, but will also do greater works. Some of these works include:

• Turning water into wine
• Feeding thousands of people with 5 loaves and 2 fish
• Healing leprosy
• Raising people from the dead
• Walking on water and calming storms
• Curing blindness (even people born blind)
• Etc

So, have you seen these kind of miracles in your life? Have you done them yourself? What things greater have you seen and done than these that people have done in Jesus' name?

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curing blindness was being practiced in India 1000s of years ago

Ophthalmology in ancient india, Sushruta’s time and the modern era

Fool said:

curing blindness was being practiced in India 1000s of years ago

Ophthalmology in ancient india, Sushruta’s time and the modern era

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True! But that was done with science... I'm looking more for the part where Jesus talks about doing miracles because people believe in him. Folks don't need to believe in anything to utilize science.

SigurdReginson said:

True! But that was done with science... I'm looking more for the part where Jesus talks about doing miracles because people believe in him. Folks don't need to believe in anything to utilize science.

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you don't know that jesus didn't use this method. he is reputed to have traveled during the lost years; which isn't miraculous given the silk/spice road traveled through the area and more than just trade goods were swapped. the bible says he went to egypt; which is a great distance.


jesus said that right action was required because belief alone is not enough.

matthew 7:22

miracles aren't going to get someone into heaven.

even demons perform miracles

Fool said:

you don't know that jesus didn't use this method. he is reputed to have traveled during the lost years; which isn't miraculous given the silk/spice road traveled through the area and more than just trade goods were swapped.


jesus said that right action was required because belief alone is not enough.

matthew 7:22

miracles aren't going to get someone into heaven.

even demons perform miracles

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Are you saying Jesus utilized science in his miracles? Are miracles synonymous with science?

SigurdReginson said:

Are you saying Jesus utilized science in his miracles? Are miracles synonymous with science?

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a true miracle is anything that brings happiness or the relief of suffering.


the awe of love is miraculous. sometimes someone loving us is a miracle unto itself

From mid-13c. as "something that excites wonder or astonishment, extraordinary or remarkable feat," without regard to divinity or supernatural power. It replaced Old English wundortacen, wundorweorc. The Greek words rendered as miracle in the English bibles were semeion "sign," teras "wonder," and dynamis "power," which in the Vulgate were translated respectively as signum, prodigium, and virtus.


So I close my eyes softly
'Till I become that part of the wind
That we all long for sometime
And to those that I love, like a ghost through a fog
Like a charmed hour and a haunted song
And the angel, angel of my dreams
Angel of my dreams - Angel - Fleetwood Mac

SigurdReginson said:

"12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." -John 14:12

In this verse, Jesus says that those who believe in him will not only do similar miracles that he's done, but will also do greater works. Some of these works include:

• Turning water into wine
• Feeding thousands of people with 5 loaves and 2 fish
• Healing leprosy
• Raising people from the dead
• Walking on water and calming storms
• Curing blindness (even people born blind)
• Etc

So, have you seen these kind of miracles in your life? Have you done them yourself? What things greater have you seen and done than these that people have done in Jesus' name?

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Not those specifically--but like unto those. (Although we did see multiplication of food)

SigurdReginson said:

"12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." -John 14:12

In this verse, Jesus says that those who believe in him will not only do similar miracles that he's done, but will also do greater works. Some of these works include:

• Turning water into wine
• Feeding thousands of people with 5 loaves and 2 fish
• Healing leprosy
• Raising people from the dead
• Walking on water and calming storms
• Curing blindness (even people born blind)
• Etc

So, have you seen these kind of miracles in your life? Have you done them yourself? What things greater have you seen and done than these that people have done in Jesus' name?

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With the help of Jesus I have overcome some sins in my life and learnt to love people more.

SigurdReginson said:

"12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." -John 14:12

In this verse, Jesus says that those who believe in him will not only do similar miracles that he's done, but will also do greater works. Some of these works include:

• Turning water into wine
• Feeding thousands of people with 5 loaves and 2 fish
• Healing leprosy
• Raising people from the dead
• Walking on water and calming storms
• Curing blindness (even people born blind)
• Etc

So, have you seen these kind of miracles in your life? Have you done them yourself? What things greater have you seen and done than these that people have done in Jesus' name?

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This is a challenge for all who claim to be a part of the body of Christ. Are we acting in faith? Are we doing the things that Jesus would have us do? Are we walking in the Spirit of love?

I believe that faith in Jesus Christ is far deeper and more demanding than it appears from the outside. Faith actually begins with repentance, which is also, I believe, widely misunderstood. We cannot hope to live in Christ unless we first die to self. True repentance is being prepared to give up everything, to lay down everything at the foot of the cross. I understand this now, but I know that in the past I have held back, and in doing so have been of limited use to my Lord. He that is great in faith will see great miracles [see Hebrews 11].

I have witnessed many healings and miracles of the Holy Spirit. I have also witnessed failure in prayer, and great tests of faith.

Jesus was not able to preach to crowds the size that some modern evangelists have been able to, given sound amplification and screens etc. The German evangelist, Reinhard Bonnke, had crowds of over a million attending his Nigerian crusades. Many were cured of sickness at these meetings, including AIDS. There was even a well-documented case, put on video by Cfan (Christ for All Nations) of a man who was raised from the dead. Other notable Pentecostal preachers, such as Smith Wigglesworth, also give testimony of raising the dead.

It should not be a great surprise that these things should continue to happen, because they are acts of the Holy Spirit, not acts of man. It's the faith of the man that makes it possible for the Holy Spirit to do His work of faith. It's for this reason that Jesus constantly called upon his disciples to show faith, even as 'a grain of mustard seed'.

As Paul said, 'Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power: That the name of the Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.' [2 Thess. 1:11,12]

SigurdReginson said:

• Turning water into wine.

So, have you seen these kind of miracles in your life?

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I've turned wine into urine, so does that count?

SigurdReginson said:

"12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." -John 14:12

In this verse, Jesus says that those who believe in him will not only do similar miracles that he's done, but will also do greater works. Some of these works include:

• Turning water into wine
• Feeding thousands of people with 5 loaves and 2 fish
• Healing leprosy
• Raising people from the dead
• Walking on water and calming storms
• Curing blindness (even people born blind)
• Etc

So, have you seen these kind of miracles in your life? Have you done them yourself? What things greater have you seen and done than these that people have done in Jesus' name?

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The "works" Jesus was referring to were not those miracles which were done away with after the death of the Apostles, but works of the assignment given to Christians. Acts 1:8; Mat 24:14

Regiomontanus said:

So you take that all literally?

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You don't? You don't think Jesus literally did those miracles? That would be fascinating.

Redemptionsong said:

The German evangelist, Reinhard Bonnke, had crowds of over a million attending his Nigerian crusades. Many were cured of sickness at these meetings, including AIDS. There was even a well-documented case, put on video by Cfan (Christ for All Nations) of a man who was raised from the dead.

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Do you mean this?

Raised from the Dead (DVD)

Why are these examples always people that have been "dead" for only a few hours or days? Why don't we ever see someone raised from the dead who's been dead for years, whose body is decayed? That would actually be something to write home about.

Left Coast said:

Do you mean this?

Raised from the Dead (DVD)

Why are these examples always people that have been "dead" for only a few hours or days? Why don't we ever see someone raised from the dead who's been dead for years, whose body is decayed? That would actually be something to write home about.

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I imagine it would be very disconcerting to have people reappearing at unexpected times. This would not, I guess, be a blessing.

Picture the scene; 'Sorry, but I remarried last week.'

'I did what it said in your will, and gave your last £100,000 to the Dogs Trust.'

The healings and miracles wrought by God on earth are nearly always shadows and temporary fixes. They demonstrate the loving heart of God, and His present reality. But our earthly journey is short, and we are then left with the hope of eternal love....but only if we know our Saviour 'in Spirit and in truth'.

As for dead bones being turned into living souls, Ezekiel says it all! [Ezekiel 37]

capumetu said:

The "works" Jesus was referring to were not those miracles which were done away with after the death of the Apostles, but works of the assignment given to Christians. Acts 1:8; Mat 24:14

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This is a false teaching, I believe.

Which apostles are you talking about? The twelve apostles? The apostle Paul? [Where is the scriptural evidence?]

Why then does Paul, who is chosen as the apostle to the Gentiles, say 'And he [the Lord] gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:' ?[Ephesians 4:11,12, and read on]

If miracles were to be done away with after the death of the apostles, then it's clear that miracles haven't been done away with because apostles still exist!

Redemptionsong said:

I imagine it would be very disconcerting to have people reappearing at unexpected times. This would not, I guess, be a blessing.

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Nah, that seems like a cop out. The Gospel of Matthew claims people were resurrected en masse from their graves at Jesus' death. So clearly that "disconcerting" event didn't stop God then.

The other issue is that this near-term stuff where people are "raised from the dead" when the bodies are still warm is that it is known to happen naturally. So it's not really an example of a miracle.

As for dead bones being turned into living souls, Ezekiel says it all! [Ezekiel 37]

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Call me when this happens!

Left Coast said:

Nah, that seems like a cop out. The Gospel of Matthew claims people were resurrected en masse from their graves at Jesus' death. So clearly that "disconcerting" event didn't stop God then.

The other issue is that this near-term stuff where people are "raised from the dead" when the bodies are still warm is that it is known to happen naturally. So it's not really an example of a miracle.



Call me when this happens!

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The passage in Matthew concerns the raising of saints from the graves after Jesus' resurrection, and it says that they 'appeared unto many' in Jerusalem. There is no indication that these people remained alive, or reintegrated into society. More likely, these appearances were to validate the resurrection of Christ.

The spiritual body of Christ, the Church, did not come into being until the day of Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit descended upon the disciples. This is the event that marks the beginning of the Church Age in which we now live. The teaching of the apostles, especially Paul, on the subject of healing and miracles, is therefore highly relevant to the Church. One can also see in the ministries of Peter and Paul that miracles and healing abounded. For example, at Troas, Paul raised a young man, Eutychus, from the dead after he fell from a third floor open window [Acts 20:9,10].

There is clearly a difference between being raised back to life here on earth, where we continue to decay, and being resurrected to eternal life which only happens at the return of Christ. Paul states clearly in 1 Corinthians 15 that the 'resurrection life' is one of incorruption and immortality, whereas any raising back to life now is a raising back to mortality. This is why it's important to distinguish the mortal from the immortal, the temporal from the eternal. Faith applies to the present time, hope to a possible future in eternity, and love to eternity itself. The greatest of these is love.

Are you still waiting for a call? The last call will, according to scripture, be the call of the trumpet.
'In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.' [1 Corinthians 15:52]