I'll leave you to argue against those with different beliefs to you, since I'll not bother. My choice is to leave all such as unknown and I am happy with this.
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Pseudophilosophy Encourages Confused, Self-Indulgent Thinking
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ecco
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What do you mean "from God"? Man invented creator entities - gods if you will. The concept of these creator entities has been ingrained in our brains by men over the centuries to the point where most people don't even question the origin of the concept. Did you ever notice that all gods resemble the people who created them?
ecco
Veteran Member
Is yours?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
If you can solve the induction problem, I will listen to you.
37818
Active Member
In deed that is your choice to make.
37818
Active Member
I originally accepted it on the notion I could know for sure. And it proved to be so. It is not like you cannot know too. If I can, anyone can know for sure.
ecco
Veteran Member
Why would I bother to care about a "problem" that a philosopher invented? Why would you? Why would any rational person?
The Problem of Induction (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
Therefore, for Hume, the problem remains of how to explain why we form any conclusions that go beyond the past instances of which we have had experience
ecco
Veteran Member
So, you know and have proved that your religious views are the correct ones.
You must know that people with very different religious views also believe they know and have proved that their views are the correct ones.
Do you not understand that most, if not all, of you, must be wrong.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
So you are subjective, but that is no problem, because you are the standard for objective, universal rationality for all humans. You are in effect claiming the TRUTH. You just use rationality and not religion.
ecco
Veteran Member
If you say so. Not that I understand what you said.
37818
Active Member
My knowing for myself does not prove anything except I make this claim that is what I believe I know.
What proof do you know of any others? How do you obtain your own proof, expept from God Himself? What proof has any other offered you?
Without knowing, the mere odds are small at best. Without actually knowing one very likely to be wrong in deed.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
I have proof from God that you are wrong. I know I am right, because I believe I know, therefore I know, that you are wrong.
That is how it works. You know I am wrong and I know you are wrong, but we can't both right. So how do we solve that?
I have proof from God that you are wrong. I know I am right, because I believe I know, therefore I know, that you are wrong.
And now you do that same. And we are both equally certain. So how do we solve it?
I have proof from God that you are wrong. I know I am right, because I believe I know, therefore I know, that you are wrong.
And now you do that same. And we are both equally certain. So how do we solve it?
I have proof from God that you are wrong. I know I am right, because I believe I know, therefore I know, that you are wrong.
And now you do that same. And we are both equally certain. So how do we solve it?
And that is Ecco's point.
The certainty I have is the same as yours. So you might be wrong or I might be wrong. Your certainty is no better or worse, so you might be wrong, but you won't admit that. But everybody else is wrong to you, but so are you to everybody else, who do the same as you.
I have proof from God that you are wrong. I know I am right, because I believe I know, therefore I know, that you are wrong.
ecco
Veteran Member
Do you really believe that that addressed my comment about everyone feeling just as you do?
37818
Active Member
Ok. Please explain or present how I might have that proof.
37818
Active Member
How are feelings proof being a proof to the person having said feelings a proof to another person? Please explain.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Please rephrase.
37818
Active Member
You said you have proof by which you know I am wrong, is that not correct? If so, how may I have that proof for myself?
ecco
Veteran Member
If your question is why should others be impressed with your proofs to yourself, the answer is they shouldn't and they aren't.
I never said they were.
The point several of us are trying to make is that your "evidence" is proof to you. Other people's evidence is proof to them. Since they are "proofs" of conflicting realities, they cannot both (all) be true. They cannot all be proof of anything. The odds of you being the one who is right are vanishingly small.
37818
Active Member
What is not being heard is the proof must come from and be recieved from God Himself. And it is to be on God's terms.