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Jesus, Enlightenment, and Accountability

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
It is relevant. Jesus didn't "teach" anything, HE didn't exist.
and yet you're here and doing it again. this thread isn't about disputing if jesus was real or just a fictional character. the mailperson isn't relevant; if you're getting the mail. so whether you like the mail, or not, the mail is what you got. you got a bible, you got characters in the bible, you got underlying themes, whether the characters are real, unreal, archetypes, or anthropomorphized beings . you can still have an underlying moral ideal.


if you want to discuss jesus' being in relation to his/her/its self, consider starting another thread.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Jesus IMO taught dedication to God and salvation.
Enlightenment in what sense? Certainly not in the Buddhist sense.
Isn't salvation freedom from suffering? Isn't it about liberation? Isn't that what Enlightenment is?
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Isn't salvation freedom from suffering? Isn't it about liberation? Isn't that what Enlightenment is?

I think it is more about finding one's place in the presence of God. One finds peace through dedication to God.

Enlightenment to me is more about letting go of the false self. I can't think of an example of Jesus enlightening anyone. He was a healer and told people to go and dedicate their lives to God.
 

epronovost

Well-Known Member
did jesus teach enlightenment?

No. Jesus doesn't advocate for materialism, reason or humanism. To Jesus the most important things are God and faith in Him. Kindness to others, is his second rule and that kindness isn't an act of pro-social reason based on the material benefit of others and culture itself, but an act of faith. Jesus is an obscurantist by excellence.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Jesus IMO taught dedication to God and salvation.
Enlightenment in what sense? Certainly not in the Buddhist sense.
john 14:20

be still and know I AM god. i will be exalted among the people, i will be exalted in the body.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20

atonement is illumination, is revelation(reveal).

Synonyms of enlighten | Thesaurus.com

1 john 1:15

the awe of love is the beginning of light

proverbs 9:10
 
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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
No. Jesus doesn't advocate for materialism, reason or humanism. To Jesus the most important things are God and faith in Him. Kindness to others, is his second rule and that kindness isn't an act of pro-social reason based on the material benefit of others and culture itself, but an act of faith. Jesus is an obscurantist by excellence.
god, love above all, is the most important thang.


and jesus may never have used the term humanism but he said what you do unto the least of these you do unto me. that is humanism.

even the term son of man is about the human race as relates to mankind.

SON OF MAN - JewishEncyclopedia.com
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Isn't salvation freedom from suffering? Isn't it about liberation? Isn't that what Enlightenment is?
No. Enlightenment is an alteration or expansion of consciousness. It's an awareness that transcends time and space; a universal consciousness.
 

epronovost

Well-Known Member
god, love above all, is the most important thang.


and jesus may never have used the term humanism but he said what you do unto the least of these you do unto me. that is humanism.

even the term son of man is about the human race as relates to mankind.

SON OF MAN - JewishEncyclopedia.com

That's correct, but the enlightenment isn't just about humanism. It's also about the use of reason and materialism to achieve humanist goals. Jesus was about achieving a certain form of humanist goals (more or less) throuh faith in Him and God not through reason, knowledge and science.
 
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