occasional?Aha! So that's the source of your occasional lunacy.
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I cried out to God last night
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Occasional?Aha! So that's the source of your occasional lunacy.
You're such a sweetie.
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
Last night I was at the end of my rope so I cried out to God, or should I say I screamed at Him in abject anger and told Him I need help, so now I will find out if He comes through or not. Usually I just scream at God and call Him names, but this time I asked for help, so the ball is now in God’s court. God can help me because He is All-Powerful, or He can just leave me standing at the side of the road.
Mind you, the All-Knowing God already knows what I need help with, so I did not need to put in a prayer request. God already knows I have tried to solve these problems by myself to no avail, so it is not as if I am just sitting around doing nothing. I have struggled with these issues for what seems like forever but I have come to a dead end and I know not what to do. This is when God is supposed to step in and help me if He is worth His salt.
Why is it that people can call God "Lord" and in prayer tell their Lord
what they want Him to do for them.
True and sincere prayer is asking God what He wants from us - not
the other way around.
I have learned from personal experience that God is very jealous to help those who pray and upset when they don't. One time I hadn't prayed for awhile and God put deep words in my mouth.Last night I was at the end of my rope so I cried out to God, or should I say I screamed at Him in abject anger and told Him I need help, so now I will find out if He comes through or not. Usually I just scream at God and call Him names, but this time I asked for help, so the ball is now in God’s court. God can help me because He is All-Powerful, or He can just leave me standing at the side of the road.
Mind you, the All-Knowing God already knows what I need help with, so I did not need to put in a prayer request. God already knows I have tried to solve these problems by myself to no avail, so it is not as if I am just sitting around doing nothing. I have struggled with these issues for what seems like forever but I have come to a dead end and I know not what to do. This is when God is supposed to step in and help me if He is worth His salt.
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Last night I was at the end of my rope so I cried out to God, or should I say I screamed at Him in abject anger and told Him I need help, so now I will find out if He comes through or not. Usually I just scream at God and call Him names, but this time I asked for help, so the ball is now in God’s court. God can help me because He is All-Powerful, or He can just leave me standing at the side of the road.
Mind you, the All-Knowing God already knows what I need help with, so I did not need to put in a prayer request. God already knows I have tried to solve these problems by myself to no avail, so it is not as if I am just sitting around doing nothing. I have struggled with these issues for what seems like forever but I have come to a dead end and I know not what to do. This is when God is supposed to step in and help me if He is worth His salt.
I wish there were words that would help, but, I'm an atheist of degrees. I think the source of all of existence isn't all powerful, nor is it omnipresent. I suppose I could consider that God works only in the hearts and minds of people, and chooses no other way to work; Maybe for the reason that if we got what we wanted, and everything always worked out for the best under God's power then we would be nothing but spoiled children always getting our way.
I also suppose that I could consider that God only works on the needs of the soul, and not necessarily on the events of everyday life.
I also could consider that God's purposes are beyond human comprehension, and a lot of the brute fact tragedies and injustices that happen in life are things we need to work on ourselves. Maybe we need to practice what God preaches in our own lives or something. But it sounds like you do that already.
But what I really think is that existence is just full of tragedies and injustices by nature, and no matter what happens, we have to do the best we can to manage things in our lives. Hopefully you have friends, and family, and support for things beyond the control of just one person.
Sounds like you are trying to find the right balance in your life, between helping others, and taking care of your own stuff.
Whatever happens I hope you find your way through all these tough times you are having.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Isn't that like a child being told to keep his mouth shut so the parent can do everything without acknowledging what the child wants from his or her own parent?
I can see why one would cry to god if one felt he or she couldn't ask for anything but are told to say thank you and let it be. There's no reciprocity in relationship if one can't ask god for favors.
As for answered prayers, @Trailblazer, I honestly don't know. When people ask god for answers its more in the subtle things but nothing extravagant like talking from the sky. I wish I had more to say, but crying to god sounds a bit foreign to me.
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And LOL! The "atheistic approach".
Gotta love it.
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
There's an element of truth in what you said. It has to be both ways - but if you read the prayers
in the bible there's no mention of that Sony 85" TV screen or a promotion at work - or the Bronze
Age equivalent of these things. Loving God means learning to lose interest in earthly things.
Since the probability of God existing are in the same range of Mother Goose existing, I would not hold my breath.Last night I was at the end of my rope so I cried out to God, or should I say I screamed at Him in abject anger and told Him I need help, so now I will find out if He comes through or not. Usually I just scream at God and call Him names, but this time I asked for help, so the ball is now in God’s court. God can help me because He is All-Powerful, or He can just leave me standing at the side of the road.
Mind you, the All-Knowing God already knows what I need help with, so I did not need to put in a prayer request. God already knows I have tried to solve these problems by myself to no avail, so it is not as if I am just sitting around doing nothing. I have struggled with these issues for what seems like forever but I have come to a dead end and I know not what to do. This is when God is supposed to step in and help me if He is worth His salt.
Ciao
- viole
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
You have two choices - either God made the universe or the universe
made itself, before it existed, and for no reason whatsoever. I call the
latter idea the Mother Goose Theory.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Do you think I haven't already tried that? Read the OP. I only ask for help from God when I am desperate!
As I said "I have tried to solve these problems by myself to no avail, so it is not as if I am just sitting around doing nothing. I have struggled with these issues for what seems like forever but I have come to a dead end and I know not what to do."
That is kind of what I am doing here as I know that other people can and sometimes do help me with their advice.
Moreover, if God does help, I think it is through other people even though He could help without them.
WalterTrull
Godfella
Yeah.Do you want the laundry list or just one item?
I do believe that God works through people and I am not sure He ever works on His own.
We are the children.
And... "thy will be done in earth"
I'd really love to see those clearly, but I get the idea.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I can see how that would make sense, though if one felt they couldn't ask god for anything other than spiritual things, it's somewhat like god telling the person he only values him or her for his spirit not his flesh. In other words, when you're not valued for your faults (you're only human), then when you cry out, your cries go unheard since pain is considered earthly and not spiritual.
It puts too much strain on god believers-well, at least to those who follow scripture. I'm not sure of Bahai teachings and other theist believers when it comes to earthly things.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
What if both are irrelevant?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I never hold my breath waiting for God to help, but not because I do not believe He exists.
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
They have to be relevant if you want to think through why you exist.
The other option is that the universe has no end or beginning - that
essentially dodges the question and in any case is less likely to be
true, as Cosmology suggests.
Let's have a little sympathy, here.
She probably lives in the US, so doesn't have the social services that might help her elsewhere in the world.
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
Had this argument with a friend a few weeks back. She said as a mother she would be horrified
if her children came home from school and did not want to share their daily experiences. Sure,
there has to be nuanced approach to this. But there was this old Korean song about fishermen
who went out into the dangerous storms, "When they come ashore they pray no more."
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
...yeah, America has a third world social security service.