Meanwhile Ted Cruz chooses a bad time to go to Mexico.

ElishaElijah said:

Give it a go, what’s your most convincing proof ? Miller’s experiment or another?

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Proof? Well the proof is that at one point there was no life on the Earth and later there was. By definition that is abiogenesis. What more "proof" do you need/

Like I said, you really have no clue and now it appears that you were not being exactly honest when you said that you found flaws. It is well past your turn to answer some questions in regard to your claims. What supposed flaws did you find?

Subduction Zone said:

Proof? Well the proof is that at one point there was no life on the Earth and later there was. By definition that is abiogenesis. What more "proof" do you need/

Like I said, you really have no clue and now it appears that you were not being exactly honest when you said that you found flaws. It is well past your turn to answer some questions in regard to your claims. What supposed flaws did you find?

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That was great explanation and showed a tremendous amount of insight, thanks

ElishaElijah said:

That was great explanation and showed a tremendous amount of insight, thanks

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Not much was needed. You are welcome.

Bad questions get bad answers.

If you ask better questions you will get better answers.

But thanks for tacitly admitting that you really could not find any flaws in abiogenesis. You had more than enough chances to list at least one of your supposed flaws.

By the way, what was wrong with my answer? We can look at old enough rocks and see no signs of life. Later rocks show evidence of life, first chemically and later structurally by the formations left behind by early life.

Subduction Zone said:

Not much was needed. You are welcome.

Bad questions get bad answers.

If you ask better questions you will get better answers.

But thanks for tacitly admitting that you really could not find any flaws in abiogenesis. You had more than enough chances to list at least one of your supposed flaws.

By the way, what was wrong with my answer? We can look at old enough rocks and see no signs of life. Later rocks show evidence of life, first chemically and later structurally by the formations left behind by early life.

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You gave a bad answer, lol

ElishaElijah said:

You gave a bad answer, lol

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It was really not all that bad. What was wrong with it in your opinion?

Considering how badly formed the question was you were lucky to get any answer at all.

Subduction Zone said:

It was really not all that bad. What was wrong with it in your opinion?

Considering how badly formed the question was you were lucky to get any answer at all.

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Subduction Zone said:

It was really not all that bad. What was wrong with it in your opinion?

Considering how badly formed the question was you were lucky to get any answer at all.

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Anyway, you got nothing, not even a glimpse of any hope. You’re in your 60’s and not much time left and you’re gone and then what? Sounds miserable

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ElishaElijah said:

Anyway, you got nothing, not even a glimpse of any hope. You’re in your 60’s and not much time left and you’re gone and then what? Sounds miserable

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Your link does not work. And hope? What do you want hope for? And no, I have plenty. You are the one that has nothing. You made claims that were obviously false since you could not support them.

But I don't hold it against you. Simply admit that you have nothing that enables you to argue against abiogenesis and I will try my best to answer your questions.

Subduction Zone said:

Your link does not work. And hope? What do you want hope for? And no, I have plenty. You are the one that has nothing. You made claims that were obviously false since you could not support them.

But I don't hold it against you. Simply admit that you have nothing that enables you to argue against abiogenesis and I will try my best to answer your questions.

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Was waiting for your reference, as for me I have eternal life and living in that right now.

ElishaElijah said:

Was waiting for your reference, as for me I have eternal life and living in that right now.

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I really doubt if you do have eternal life. Your fate is almost certainly exactly the same as mine.


What reference were you waiting for?

Subduction Zone said:

I really doubt if you do have eternal life. Your fate is almost certainly exactly the same as mine.


What reference were you waiting for?

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You’re experiment reference other than a rock, and yes I have eternal life guaranteed by God Himself.

ElishaElijah said:

You’re experiment reference other than a rock, and yes I have eternal life guaranteed by God Himself.

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But you do not know that God made such guarantees. By the way, experiments can be verified. How would you properly test your beliefs? You still cannot answer that.

Subduction Zone said:

But you do not know that God made such guarantees. By the way, experiments can be verified. How would you properly test your beliefs? You still cannot answer that.

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Tested daily brother, something that I know and am positive of. You’ll have to get your own, that’s how God works it. But you can’t name your best experiment to prove your theory.

ElishaElijah said:

Tested daily brother, something that I know and am positive of. You’ll have to get your own, that’s how God works it. But you can’t name your best experiment to prove your theory.

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No, I am sorry but it is not. Confirmation bias is not testing. You could not name one valid test for your faith.

ElishaElijah said:

The Bible and God are infallible, your interpretation of the Bible is what’s fallible.

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Is any person’s interpretation of the Bible infallible? Is your interpretation infallible?

fantome profane said:

Is any person’s interpretation of the Bible infallible? Is your interpretation infallible?

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You will have to be more specific, what is the text and subject are you referring to?

Subduction Zone said:

No, I am sorry but it is not. Confirmation bias is not testing. You could not name one valid test for your faith.

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Name the valid test that would be proof for you?

This is what God says: That’s all I’m concerned about so yes tested daily and found God faithful and true for the last 30 years.
“Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you. But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. Such a person is double-minded and unstable in all they do.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:2-8‬ ‭NIV‬‬

ElishaElijah said:

None of those were worth talking about with you, the ones that are cut to the chase.

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Essentially you are saying you wish to disregard the OT entirely because it contains too many bad stories about your God. So, I guess you don't believe in Adam and & Eve and the Great Flood. That pretty much leaves nature and evolution.

ElishaElijah said:

Jesus was clear in the Gospel.

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Please quote one thing Jesus said and then provide evidence for your claim.

ecco said:

Essentially you are saying you wish to disregard the OT entirely because it contains too many bad stories about your God. So, I guess you don't believe in Adam and & Eve and the Great Flood. That pretty much leaves nature and evolution.


Please quote one thing Jesus said and then provide evidence for your claim.

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In the beginning, God’s plan
“Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:24‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
After man rebelled and sinned, they brought death, curse, war, which is what you’re referencing in your verses is the result of man’s evil heart apart from God.
Then Jesus comes and says the same thing among other things which are too many to post but you can read yourself:
“The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?” And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?” He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭19:3-8‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

ElishaElijah said:

Name the valid test that would be proof for you?

This is what God says: That’s all I’m concerned about so yes tested daily and found God faithful and true for the last 30 years.
“Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you. But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. Such a person is double-minded and unstable in all they do.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:2-8‬ ‭NIV‬‬

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That is not the way that it works. The burden of proof is always on the claimant. The tests that they come.up with are also partly a test of their own honesty.

And please do not try to use "God says" BS. You cannot claim that until you make your case. Besides that you do not understand that verse because you do not understand its purpose or why it is there. In fact if the Bible were the Word of God such verses would not be necessary. That sort of verse is a defensive verse and is actually evidence that the Bible is not the word of god.

Subduction Zone said:

That is not the way that it works. The burden of proof is always on the claimant. The tests that they come.up with are also partly a test of their own honesty.

And please do not try to use "God says" BS. You cannot claim that until you make your case. Besides that you do not understand that verse because you do not understand its purpose or why it is there. In fact if the Bible were the Word of God such verses would not be necessary. That sort of verse is a defensive verse and is actually evidence that the Bible is not the word of god.

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It’s the way it is for me, didn’t ask for your opinion about my life and experience with God cause you haven’t a clue about such things. However I did ask you what specific proof you were looking for?