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Atheists what should God do to make you believe in ?

Gargovic Malkav

Gargovic Malkav

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If I was a skeptic, and would be able to put God to the test by getting Him to make al my wishes or expectations come true,
I think it would be more tempting for me to believe that there is evidence that I myself am God, instead of Him being a higher power.
 
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darkskies

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Unless I know more about what you're calling god I can't say exactly. Some objective evidence would be nice for starters.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Twilight Hue said:
Showing up would be good for starters.
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I am not sure you understand what would actually happen if God in His entirety showed up. It would not be pretty.

“Were the Eternal Essence to manifest all that is latent within Him, were He to shine in the plentitude of His glory, none would be found to question His power or repudiate His truth. Nay, all created things would be so dazzled and thunderstruck by the evidences of His light as to be reduced to utter nothingness.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 71-72
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
aketo said:
Unless I know more about what you're calling god I can't say exactly. Some objective evidence would be nice for starters.
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Here is the joke about objective evidence. In the strong sense of the words objective and evidence they amount to a contradiction. How? Objective as having reality independent of mind versus that evidence happens in the mind, thus objective evidence is independent of the mind and happens in the mind.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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ChristineM said:
an omni everything god should have the smarts to figure that one out and prove they are a god and not an advanced alien playing tricks.
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Yes, God could do that if He wanted to, but since He doesn't do it that is how we know He does not want to, since an omnipotent God can do anything He wants to do.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Altfish said:
Firstly, a god should be compassionate. She should not inflict pain.
She should update her edicts on slavery, homosexuality, abortion, etc.

Finally she should say, I do not need you to worship me.
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God has already done those things, but not your full laundry list. :)
 
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darkskies

Active Member
mikkel_the_dane said:
Here is the joke about objective evidence. In the strong sense of the words objective and evidence they amount to a contradiction. How? Objective as having reality independent of mind versus that evidence happens in the mind, thus objective evidence is independent of the mind and happens in the mind.
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Evidence is an indication of how true a statement is. How can that be "in the mind"? Objective evidence only means the evidence that is verifiable by anybody.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
blü 2 said:
Come into the lab and submit to a very thorough enquiry.
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That would tells us nothing, because you are still axiomatically taking for granted that the universe/the world/everything/God/the aliens controlling the computer simulation you in are/and so on is/are fair and not tricking you, but you can only know that, if you are not you and you are in fact God.
That is the limit of your axiom. It is not independent of your mind and thus tells you nothing about reality as independent of your mind.
It appears that you actually think, that because your axiom makes sense to you, it is true in the objective sense as independent of your mind.
What is it with some non-religious humans and their belief in effect that axioms are true of as independent of the mind. To me that is the same effect in practice as that God makes sense to some religious humans and thus God is true.

A skeptic you are not. :D :)
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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chinu said:
:) what makes you think he's/God NOT already trying his level best to do this ?
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Because there are still atheists we know God is not trying to make atheists into believers, since an omnipotent God could make all men one people (believers) in an instant if He wanted to.

“He Who is the Day Spring of Truth is, no doubt, fully capable of rescuing from such remoteness wayward souls and of causing them to draw nigh unto His court and attain His Presence. “If God had pleased He had surely made all men one people.” His purpose, however, is to enable the pure in spirit and the detached in heart to ascend, by virtue of their own innate powers, unto the shores of the Most Great Ocean, that thereby they who seek the Beauty of the All-Glorious may be distinguished and separated from the wayward and perverse. Thus hath it been ordained by the all-glorious and resplendent Pen…”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 71
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
aketo said:
Evidence is an indication of how true a statement is. How can that be "in the mind"? Objective evidence only means the evidence that is verifiable by anybody.
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That rests on the assumption, that reality is fair and that you can trust your subjective experiences. I.e. your experiences are in the mind.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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I just love threads like this one, but unfortunately I was late to dinner so I missed out on all the fun, and I am too busy to catch up now. :(
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
blü 2 said:
SSSHH! Don't tell anyone.
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Irrational answer made into a joke. For you as your we with reason for all humans, I will keep doing reductio ad absurdum on your subjective claims, because I can do it differently and you can't explain that with reason, logic and evidence, because you in effect treat yourself as the objective standard for all humans. As long as you do that and are not skeptical of the limits of your own thinking, I will simply remain irrational to you, yet I am still a part of the everyday world. That is the falsification of your hidden assumption: That your thinking is universal for all humans and thus my thinking is in effect wrong, because that wrong is meaningless. How? I am still here, right? You keep answering me, thus I am a part of reality and thus I am not really wrong or irrational. I am just in some cases different than you and that is what your model can't handle.
 
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