2021 is the year i will change even more.

Spirit of Light · Feb 25, 2021

After a lot of study about the sufi order i am a member of, i realized that one steps that missing is how i dress in daily life. All of my sufi Brothers dress according to tradition, so today i have asked my teacher to send me the propper clothing, and a green turban

PS: i pay for it my self.

Is it nessesary for future advancment as a sufi? Probably not, but the stepping stone of dressing according to islam in a society that is "hostile" to seeing muslim clothing, especially on a white guy like me. Yes i have thought a lot about the consequence of my choice. But right now feels to be the right moment.

Eddi · Feb 25, 2021

Conscious thoughts said:
After a lot of study about the sufi order i am a member of, i realized that one steps that missing is how i dress in daily life. All of my sufi Brothers dress according to tradition, so today i have asked my teacher to send me the propper clothing, and a green turban
PS: i pay for it my self.

Is it nessesary for future advancment as a sufi? Probably not, but the stepping stone of dressing according to islam in a society that is "hostile" to seeing muslim clothing, especially on a white guy like me. Yes i have thought a lot about the consequence of my choice. But right now feels to be the right moment.

Show us some pics of the type of clothes you will be wearing!

Spirit of Light · Feb 25, 2021

Eddi said:
Show us some pics of the type of clothes you will be wearing!

Similar to this picture of my teacher.

Eddi · Feb 25, 2021

Conscious thoughts said:
Similar to this picture of my teacher.

Are you going to change your name (your real name, not your RF name) to something more Islamic?

Spirit of Light · Feb 25, 2021

Eddi said:
Are you going to change your name (your real name, not your RF name) to something more Islamic?

I dont have to. But i know my Norwegian name is difficult to pronounce for foreign people, so it can happen i do chose an arabic name to use in some situations. I will discuss with my teacher about it

Spirit of Light · Feb 25, 2021

Eddi said:
Are you going to change your name (your real name, not your RF name) to something more Islamic?

If i do chose to change my real name, or add a muslim name i think i like this.

Abdul Salam meaning Servant of the Peace

SalixIncendium · Feb 25, 2021

Conscious thoughts said:
After a lot of study about the sufi order i am a member of, i realized that one steps that missing is how i dress in daily life. All of my sufi Brothers dress according to tradition, so today i have asked my teacher to send me the propper clothing, and a green turban
PS: i pay for it my self.

Is it nessesary for future advancment as a sufi? Probably not, but the stepping stone of dressing according to islam in a society that is "hostile" to seeing muslim clothing, especially on a white guy like me. Yes i have thought a lot about the consequence of my choice. But right now feels to be the right moment.

While I'm not convinced any God would care what one is wearing, in my experience, there is value on the personal psyche in how one dresses. It's helped me to get promotions in the corporate world by dressing as one would the role I wanted while working in my current role. I think not only does it work on one's own psyche, but on that of the psyche of those who would promote the person wanting the new role in how they perceive that person.

I would think this would translate into the religious realm as well. Not only would you feel more like a Sufi, but others who would accept you as one are more likely to perceive you as such.

Spirit of Light · Feb 25, 2021

SalixIncendium said:
While I'm not convinced any God would care what one is wearing, in my experience, there is value on the personal psyche in how one dresses. It's helped me to get promotions in the corporate world by dressing as one would the role I wanted while working in my current role. I think not only does it work on one's own psyche, but on that of the psyche of those who would promote the person wanting the new role in how they perceive that person.

I would think this would translate into the religious realm as well. Not only would you feel more like a Sufi, but others who would accept you as one are more likely to perceive you as such.

This is exactly what i think too

Gargovic Malkav · Feb 25, 2021

Conscious thoughts said:
After a lot of study about the sufi order i am a member of, i realized that one steps that missing is how i dress in daily life. All of my sufi Brothers dress according to tradition, so today i have asked my teacher to send me the propper clothing, and a green turban
PS: i pay for it my self.

Is it nessesary for future advancment as a sufi? Probably not, but the stepping stone of dressing according to islam in a society that is "hostile" to seeing muslim clothing, especially on a white guy like me. Yes i have thought a lot about the consequence of my choice. But right now feels to be the right moment.

I hope you do it for the right reasons though, and not out of some rebel sentiment where you angrily and proudly want show those "Infidels" that you're not scared of them.

Spirit of Light · Feb 25, 2021

Gargovic Malkav said:
I hope you do it for the right reasons though, and not out of some rebel sentiment where you angrily and proudly want show those "Infidels" that you're not scared of them.

Yes i dont do it to show off or being a rebelious person

It's is a part of my spiritual journey to not being afraid of showing who i am spirituality

Roguish · Feb 25, 2021

Conscious thoughts said:
Is it nessesary for future advancment as a sufi? Probably not, but the stepping stone of dressing according to islam in a society that is "hostile" to seeing muslim clothing, especially on a white guy like me. Yes i have thought a lot about the consequence of my choice. But right now feels to be the right moment.

That's courageous.

SigurdReginson · Feb 25, 2021

Ah, so the inward change manifests outwardly. There's something really empowering about that. That's kind of how I felt after getting my tattoos and piercings.

I still want more yet!

Twilight Hue · Feb 25, 2021

I'm not big on religious costumes, but I do admit that some do look very comfortable and appealing.

Roguish · Feb 25, 2021

Conscious thoughts said:
i have asked my teacher to send me the propper clothing, and a green turban
[...] but the stepping stone of dressing according to islam in a society that is "hostile" to seeing muslim clothing, especially on a white guy like me. Yes i have thought a lot about the consequence of my choice. But right now feels to be the right moment.

I was reminded of your post during my afternoon walk, when, walking barefoot as I often do (*), I was harshly told by a large, hulky man who walked past me that it was absurd and that I should "act normal". There was no jocular element in his voice whatsoever. Although he didn't shout, his tone was one of utter condemnation. He clearly despised me.

So, that's the way the modern world is. Going without shoes makes some people hate you. Going around in traditional Sufi dress including a turban — I don't know what reactions that's going to trigger, but I hope you're ready. I believe the trick is to make sure that you are not self-conscious about it. You must wear the sufi gear and forget that you're wearing it, if I may say so. People will remind you of course, and the trick, I believe, is to not understand their remarks and questions. At first you might have to pretend that you don't underestand them, but with God's help you may at some point truly forget what is "unusual" about your attire. In any case, I believe it is a mistake to either be defensive about it or to get into the business of giving "reasoable" explanations, because either approach traps you into the mindset of the questioners.

In any case, I wish you "bon courage" (that's French) with this. When will your sufi attire arrive in the mail? And can you link a picture of a full set? I'd be interested tot take a look.

(*) I like to walk barefoot because I love the sensation of the soles of my feet getting the natural stimulus from contact with the ground. I got used to it spending time in a corner of the world where it's a little strange to wear shoes.

P.S. I found this picture on the web, a Persian sufi. Would your attire look similar?

Earthtank · Feb 25, 2021

Conscious thoughts said:
but the stepping stone of dressing according to islam in a society that is "hostile" to seeing muslim clothing, especially on a white guy like me.

I have 2 questions based off this comment but, i will ask my first question and the second will depend on your response.

What country do you live?

PureX · Feb 25, 2021

Go for it, brother. I really like seeing people in public wearing their traditional garments. It's a part of what I find interesting and wonderful about my fellow humans.

loverofhumanity · Feb 25, 2021

Conscious thoughts said:
After a lot of study about the sufi order i am a member of, i realized that one steps that missing is how i dress in daily life. All of my sufi Brothers dress according to tradition, so today i have asked my teacher to send me the propper clothing, and a green turban
PS: i pay for it my self.

Is it nessesary for future advancment as a sufi? Probably not, but the stepping stone of dressing according to islam in a society that is "hostile" to seeing muslim clothing, especially on a white guy like me. Yes i have thought a lot about the consequence of my choice. But right now feels to be the right moment.

Congratulations and I commend you for expressing your diversity.

Just one question. Isn’t the green turban worn by the descendants of Muhammad so are you still permitted to wear it even if you are not a descendant?

Spirit of Light · Feb 26, 2021

SigurdReginson said:
Ah, so the inward change manifests outwardly. There's something really empowering about that. That's kind of how I felt after getting my tattoos and piercings. I still want more yet!

Yes, first the inward change, than it is seen outward too

Spirit of Light · Feb 26, 2021

Roguish said:
I was reminded of your post during my afternoon walk, when, walking barefoot as I often do (*), I was harshly told by a large, hulky man who walked past me that it was absurd and that I should "act normal". There was no jocular element in his voice whatsoever. Although he didn't shout, his tone was one of utter condemnation. He clearly despised me.

So, that's the way the modern world is. Going without shoes makes some people hate you. Going around in traditional Sufi dress including a turban — I don't know what reactions that's going to trigger, but I hope you're ready. I believe the trick is to make sure that you are not self-conscious about it. You must wear the sufi gear and forget that you're wearing it, if I may say so. People will remind you of course, and the trick, I believe, is to not understand their remarks and questions. At first you might have to pretend that you don't underestand them, but with God's help you may at some point truly forget what is "unusual" about your attire. In any case, I believe it is a mistake to either be defensive about it or to get into the business of giving "reasoable" explanations, because either approach traps you into the mindset of the questioners.

In any case, I wish you "bon courage" (that's French) with this. When will your sufi attire arrive in the mail? And can you link a picture of a full set? I'd be interested tot take a look.

(*) I like to walk barefoot because I love the sensation of the soles of my feet getting the natural stimulus from contact with the ground. I got used to it spending time in a corner of the world where it's a little strange to wear shoes.

P.S. I found this picture on the web, a Persian sufi. Would your attire look similar?

Yes my New clothing will look somewhat like that

but i will wear pants and shirt

Spirit of Light · Feb 26, 2021

Earthtank said:
I have 2 questions based off this comment but, i will ask my first question and the second will depend on your response.

What country do you live?

I live in Norway

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