firedragon
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Oh yes brotherman. I am Muslim.
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What is everyone's religion?
- Thread starter filthyrottendirty
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Oh yes brotherman. I am Muslim.
Never felt the need for any religion, so presumably I don't have one, and mostly I am an agnostic atheist. I couldn't really pick one being better than any other (but many probably are), give or take the best and worst examples of any, and I'd rather we didn't have the conflict that seems to travel along with so many or between them.
Why do you need to know everyone's religion?
filthyrottendirty
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I don't. I was just curious.
Hey, cousin! Hope you and yours are staying safe & doing well!
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
That's the game plan.
I'm spiritual but not religious.
Have you read the Quran cover to cover yet?
filthyrottendirty
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paarsurrey
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Is one a Pauline-Christian or a Jesus'-Christian, if one doesn't mind, please ? A Pauline-Christian , as I understand, is who follows Paul and a Jesus'-Christian is who follows Jesus' truthful teachings and follows Jesus' deeds/acts, please. Right?
Both are miles/poles apart as I figure, please. Right?
Regards
paarsurrey
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Excerpt " How did you come from JW to Muslim, if I may ask?"
It is very natural for a Pauline-Christian ( be a JW or an LDS or any other denomination) to become a Muslim, please. Right?
Regards
paarsurrey
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It is the Bahaism people who made Bahaullah a Messenger of G-d, Bahaullah himself, I understand:
- never claimed to be a Bahai or
- to have direct Converse with G-d or
- he himself claimed to be a Messenger of G-d, please.
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Trailblazer
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1. Baha'u'llah was not a Bahai, as a Baha'i is a follower of Baha'u'llah, and one does not follow oneself.
2. I do not know that Baha'u'llah claimed to have had direct converse with God as Moses did.
3. Baha'u'llah referred to all the Messengers of God collectively in this passage and within the context of this passage and many other passages, it can be see than He considered Himself a be a Manifestation of God as well as a Messenger of God and the Voice of God. Please note that Baha'u'llah does not refer to Himself because He did not consider Himself important; rather he refers to what God has done in sending all the Messengers.
“Were any of the all-embracing Manifestations of God to declare: “I am God!” He verily speaketh the truth, and no doubt attacheth thereto. For it hath been repeatedly demonstrated that through their Revelation, their attributes and names, the Revelation of God, His name and His attributes, are made manifest in the world. Thus, He hath revealed: “Those shafts were God’s, not 18 And also He saith: “In truth, they who plighted fealty unto thee, really plighted that fealty unto God.” 19 And were any of them to voice the utterance: “I am the Messenger of God,” He also speaketh the truth, the indubitable truth. Even as He saith: “Muḥammad is not the father of any man among you, but He is the Messenger of God.” 20 Viewed in this light, they are all but Messengers of that ideal King, that unchangeable Essence. And were they all to proclaim: “I am the Seal of the Prophets,” they verily utter but the truth, beyond the faintest shadow of doubt. For they are all but one person, one soul, one spirit, one being, one revelation. They are all the manifestation of the “Beginning” and the “End,” the “First” and the “Last,” the “Seen” and “Hidden”—all of which pertain to Him Who is the innermost Spirit of Spirits and eternal Essence of Essences. And were they to say: “We are the servants of God,” this also is a manifest and indisputable fact. For they have been made manifest in the uttermost state of servitude, a servitude the like of which no man can possibly attain. Thus in moments in which these Essences of being were deeply immersed beneath the oceans of ancient and everlasting holiness, or when they soared to the loftiest summits of divine mysteries, they claimed their utterance to be the Voice of divinity, the Call of God Himself. Were the eye of discernment to be opened, it would recognize that in this very state, they have considered themselves utterly effaced and non-existent in the face of Him Who is the All-Pervading, the Incorruptible. Methinks, they have regarded themselves as utter nothingness, and deemed their mention in that Court an act of blasphemy. For the slightest whispering of self, within such a Court, is an evidence of self-assertion and independent existence. In the eyes of them that have attained unto that Court, such a suggestion is itself a grievous transgression. How much more grievous would it be, were aught else to be mentioned in that Presence, were man’s heart, his tongue, his mind, or his soul, to be busied with anyone but the Well-Beloved, were his eyes to behold any countenance other than His beauty, were his ear to be inclined to any melody but His voice, and were his feet to tread any way but His way.
In this day the breeze of God is wafted, and His Spirit hath pervaded all things. Such is the outpouring of His grace that the pen is stilled and the tongue is speechless.
By virtue of this station, they have claimed for themselves the Voice of Divinity and the like, whilst by virtue of their station of Messengership, they have declared themselves the Messengers of God. In every instance they have voiced an utterance that would conform to the requirements of the occasion, and have ascribed all these declarations to Themselves, declarations ranging from the realm of divine Revelation to the realm of creation, and from the domain of Divinity even unto the domain of earthly existence. Thus it is that whatsoever be their utterance, whether it pertain to the realm of Divinity, Lordship, Prophethood, Messengership, Guardianship, Apostleship or Servitude, all is true, beyond the shadow of a doubt. Therefore, these sayings which We have quoted in support of Our argument must be attentively considered, that the divergent utterances of the Manifestations of the Unseen and Daysprings of Holiness may cease to agitate the soul and perplex the mind.”
The Kitáb-i-Íqán, pp, 178-181
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Trailblazer
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I could not find any passages in The Kitab-i-Iqan where Baha'ullah directly claimed to be a Messenger of God, as that was not the purpose of that book. It makes more sense to look in the Proclamation of Baha'u'llah to see who He claimed to be, so that is what I did: Baha'u'llah was a Messenger of God because He brought a message from God, but He was much more than just a Messenger, He was the Promised One of all ages.
“VERILY I say, this is the Day in which mankind can behold the Face, and hear the Voice, of the Promised One. The Call of God hath been raised, and the light of His countenance hath been lifted up upon men. It behoveth every man to blot out the trace of every idle word from the tablet of his heart, and to gaze, with an open and unbiased mind, on the signs of His Revelation, the proofs of His Mission, and the tokens of His glory.
Great indeed is this Day! The allusions made to it in all the sacred Scriptures as the Day of God attest its greatness. The soul of every Prophet of God, of every Divine Messenger, hath thirsted for this wondrous Day. All the divers kindreds of the earth have, likewise, yearned to attain it. No sooner, however, had the Day Star of His Revelation manifested itself in the heaven of God’s Will, than all, except those whom the Almighty was pleased to guide, were found dumbfounded and heedless.
O thou that hast remembered Me! The most grievous veil hath shut out the peoples of the earth from His glory, and hindered them from hearkening to His call. God grant that the light of unity may envelop the whole earth, and that the seal, ‘the Kingdom is God’s’, may be stamped upon the brow of all its peoples.”
Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 111-112
Psalm23
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Paul was an follower of Jesus. Christians are followers of Jesus. Pastors can teach truth and a Christian can follow their good example; however, Jesus is the ultimate example to follow in his stead.