AOC raises $4M for Texas

Sunstone said:

Taking a look at the 'success' of the right at reforming its politics to make them less misleading, dishonest, and incendiary following the November election and 1/6, I'm going to go way out on a limb to say this will have no meaningful impact on right wing voters or leaders, but will likely be construed as hypocrisy and provocation.

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I dunno. They certainly can't blame the loss of power on the democrats or on the feds.

What's your best guess here at the spin? Anyone up for guessing the talking points?

Anyone up for claims of 'false equivalence' between comparisons of right wing denial and silence following the news Trump was failing to take action against the pandemic in its earliest stages because at the time, it was mostly attacking the left-leaning largest cities and blue states, rather than the red states?

Probably 'fake news', right?

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While I agree with you that the conservosphere did snicker at the early cases of covid being in blue areas, however, in all fairness, Trump did send Mike Pence out here to ground zero shortly after the first documented case in the US followed by the first documented outbreak in a nursing home. They brought in a Navy Hospital ship and set up a couple of field hospitals, as well as sent in about 200 ventilators. We ended up not needing them, as the people here took Covid seriously and began social distancing and staying home as much as possible right away. New York caught the more virulent European strain and Washington state wound up shipping the ventilators we didn't need to New York.

Me, I honestly believe I'll run across media outlets or individuals on the internet, including perhaps RF, spinning the left's organized relief efforts for the red state of Texas as something like 'confirmation the left is so frothing dedicated to hating the right, they have even drained their pockets during a sour economy to pull off a political stunt".

Does anyone on the left really want to right-'splain to me how I'm wrong about that being the pattern?

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You'll get no argument from me. Of course there will be those who spin it into the realm of conspiracy theory--all in the name of free-speach.

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Anyone on the right who thinks this is addressed to them, has never in their life seen a wake up call, especially one addressed to the left. But that's not surprising.

You can't fight a fire while blind, folks. Those who can open their eyes, now is the time. Don't react to what you see, respond by seeking a better understanding. Got to get real before you can deal with reality. This is no time to stumble blindly into supporting dead-end 'solutions'.

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I would hope that people dying from hypothermia while snuggled under their covers in bed should be sufficient to wake up those who are able to wake up. I do believe that there are plenty of intelligent people in Texas who are fully capable of seeing what is going on and who have the gumption to do something about it.

Twilight Hue said:

Now if she could only do that for the constituents in her district.

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Facts? Are any for sale today? Or am I once again in one of those Soviet-era Moscow breadlines you like to inflict on us, where everyone has to wait for days before the next three loaves are put out for sale, then we all get to move a few feet forward for the next time you offer us a fact in support of anything you've said?

I'm getting to dislike Communism, RF style, as interpreted in their posting practices by those on the Forum most likely to be certain they understand and know what any and every kind of Communism is in practice.

sun rise said:

So your first paragraph proves the USA is socialist because the means of production are regulated by the community as a whole through government.

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Maybe my mom was right in telling everyone she had somehow twisted my sense of humor while giving birth to me, but I find it hilarious when someone fails to grasp the U.S. Constitution might possibly be a source of valuable hints that the Federal Government, and the Constitutionally mandated State Governments, along with America itself as a nation, are owned by the citizens of the United States -- and not just the God-fearing ones, either.

Kind of adds nuance to their claims socialism is evil. Maybe a bit too much nuance in some ways.

Sunstone said:

Facts? Are any for sale today? Or am I once again in one of those Soviet-era Moscow breadlines you like to inflict on us, where everyone has to wait for days before the next three loaves are put out for sale, then we all get to move a few feet forward for the next time you offer us a fact in support of anything you've said?

I'm getting to dislike Communism, RF style, as interpreted in their posting practices by those on the Forum most likely to be certain they understand and know what any and every kind of Communism is in practice.

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Well I'd be happy to hear anything constructive and useful she's done. Aside from her usual pandering with municipal unions which is par for course here in the great People's Empire State.

Aside from the stellar news exploits lavishing all that darling attention on AOC , I'm certainly not going to fault the poor misunderstood congresswoman for doing something that's noteworthy and honorable like raising 4 million.

Just can only hope it's spent well for what it's intended for.

Incidentally, I wonder why AOC is claiming/getting all the credit here?

Apparently she was part of a team of Democrats and didn't accomplish this solely on her own.


Quote: The outpouring of charitable efforts by O'Rourke and Ocasio-Cortez formed a stark comparison to Texas Senator Ted Cruz, who has faced a torrent of criticism since photos emerged of him on a flight to Cancun, Mexico, as the state fell into a paralyzing deep freeze. Speaking with the Inside the Hive podcast, O'Rourke discussed Cruz's political mentality: "[He] tried to overturn a lawfully, legitimately, democratically decided election, conspired with seditionists, [and] was very responsible for those who were killed in the insurrection, in the coup attempt on the sixth of January.

AOC, Beto O'Rourke raise $5 million for Texas, Dems staff Houston food bank

She would have never gotten this stellar opportunity to upstage Cruz .

Just one question. Did AOC start this humanitarian endeavor before or after Cruz decided to take his little vacation?

sun rise said:

That is self-contradictory since you started with 'owned or regulated' and then switched to 'owned'.

So your first paragraph proves the USA is socialist because the means of production are regulated by the community as a whole through government.

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It's not socialist. You focus on one aspect of it and think it reflects an entire system.

Regiomontanus said:

What about the first Christians and the communism they practiced? Were they immoral?

The early Christian communists

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Wasn't communism. God - not the State - was running the show.

Twilight Hue said:

Well I'd be happy to hear anything constructive and useful she's done. Aside from her usual pandering with municipal unions which is par for course here in the great People's Empire State.

Aside from the stellar news exploits lavishing all that darling attention on AOC , I'm certainly not going to fault the poor misunderstood congresswoman for doing something that's noteworthy and honorable like raising 4 million.

Just can only hope it's spent well for what it's intended for.

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So you are confirming you yourself have no credible information to go on in making your claim AOC is ignoring her constituents? That jives much better with both the lack of any reports in the media we'd surely find if many of her constituents were actually complaining. I was glad to see you so quickly rethink your position in accordance with how quickly we humans respond to evidence or its lack when we are honestly concerned with the truth.

Fallen Prophet said:

Yes - it is.

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I know. just terrible:

crossfire said:

I dunno. They certainly can't blame the loss of power on the democrats or on the feds.

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They tried. The poor maintenance on their wind power led to the breakdown of many turbines, but that does not stop them from blaming Obama and the programs that got them started. Never mind that in the north even up in Canada the same systems work fine all winter long.

Fallen Prophet said:

Wasn't communism. God - not the State - was running the show.

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Not even the Bible makes that mistake.

Fallen Prophet said:

Wasn't communism. God - not the State - was running the show.

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It was communism by definition. And the mature state of post-industrial communism (which has never been realized) is in the hands of the people.

Twilight Hue said:

Well I'd be happy to hear anything constructive and useful she's done. Aside from her usual pandering with municipal unions which is par for course here in the great People's Empire State.

Aside from the stellar news exploits lavishing all that darling attention on AOC , I'm certainly not going to fault the poor misunderstood congresswoman for doing something that's noteworthy and honorable like raising 4 million.

Just can only hope it's spent well for what it's intended for.

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So you're thrilled with this story.

sun rise said:

So you're thrilled with this story.

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The 4 million is still a good thing.

Even though I think AOC got off to a fairly rough start, I think she's gaining more and more respect-- or at least should. At least she cares about others, which is much more than we can say about Trump and his Trumpettes.

metis said:

Even though I think AOC got off to a fairly rough start, I think she's gaining more and more respect-- or at least should. At least she cares about others, which is much more than we can say about Trump and his Trumpettes.

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It's hard to tell her intentions. It almost always seem she's got to benefit in some way or fashion before she commits, and she makes sure there are plenty of cameras around to make sure they get her good side.

Its a bit like Oprah's megalomania where in order to do good deeds there must be plenty of self promotion to go with it.

Twilight Hue said:

It's hard to tell her intentions. It almost always seem she's got to benefit in some way or fashion before she commits, and she makes sure there are plenty of cameras around to make sure they get her good side.

Its a bit like Oprah's megalomania where in order to do good deeds there must be plenty of self promotion to go with it.

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So what. Frankly I would rather support a politician who scores political points by helping people and doing good than a politician who scores political points by hurting people and spreading hatred.

I don't know how many people are aware of it, but american infrastructure is pretty rough. I could show you a picture of the pavement 30 feet from my window, where the road looks like a big fractured spider web .. I like the look of it, but it kinda goes to show

I think maybe we should all live in giant interconnected mounds , and then , we let the elements do what they will above those mounds .. they'd be covered with massive forests and rivers ... Meanwhile we wouldn't suffer as much inside of them..

Twilight Hue said:

It's hard to tell her intentions. It almost always seem she's got to benefit in some way or fashion before she commits, and she makes sure there are plenty of cameras around to make sure they get her good side.

Its a bit like Oprah's megalomania where in order to do good deeds there must be plenty of self promotion to go with it.

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Name one politician that does not do exactly that. I don't know of any saints in Congress.

One thing of note: she worked to raise money from people. Conservatives should be thrilled at her method - individual donations rather than government.