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God: Trinity or Unity?

Is God a Trinity or a Unity?


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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Jesus does say:

"Why do you call me good? No one is good, except God alone."
Mark 10:18)

Incarnation is not the source. Christians refer to the incarnation as the source because of their relationship with each other. Trinity is a relationship between jesus, his father, and spirit. Nothing more.

You would have to give scripture that jesus is not his father's incarnation for the trinity to be wrong. (Excluding what christians say about it)
 
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Soapy

Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
It is still water regardless. Physical analogies are meaningless. The Trinity describes three persons.
It is true that trinity describes three persons.

However, since trinity is false, it matters not what analogies are brought to defend it.

Trinity is no more a truth than ‘Hobbits’ living in Tolkien’s ‘Middle Earth’. And people can argue the pits about whether dwarves have female companions since females look exactly like males and no female dwarf is ever talked of in any of the ‘Lord of the Rings’ and ‘Hobbit’ scriptures...!! Yeah... much can be argued about fantasy but fantasy is not truth!
 

Soapy

Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
You would have to give scripture that jesus is not his father's incarnation for the trinity to be wrong. (Excluding what christians say about it)
What is ‘Incarnation’?

Jesus is ‘Son of God’ because he does the works of God.
Jesus is Son of the Father because he does the works of the Father.

Son, in spiritual terms, means He’s who does the works of God - He who is like God.

In flesh terms, Son is, ‘He who is like the Father’

A son in the flesh who does not do as his father commands him is rejected as a son...!

A Spirit Son who dies not do the works of God is no longer a spirit son of God and is doomed to destruction.

Spirit does not procreate but only creates.

Spirit creates Spirit... God is Spirit... But Angels are not given Spirit creating abilities (the scriptures expresses this as, ‘They marry not’)

Flesh can only PROCREATE flesh.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
The words I'm using are direct English. The mystical parts of you-guys faith is very subjective and depends on the person. I'll let you guys point fingers at each other. I'm just telling you how I read and understand it.
What is ‘Incarnation’?

Incarnation means flesh/man. It's a deity, spirit (whatever) made flesh. You can see the "idea" of it in Hindu points of view. You can also say, for example, an elder can be an incarnation of wisdom. It's like a metaphor, I guess, the best way I can put it.

Jesus is ‘Son of God’ because he does the works of God.

Jesus is Son of the Father because he does the works of the Father.

Yes. No one is disagreeing with this.

Son, in spiritual terms, means He’s who does the works of God - He who is like God.

Yes. No one is disagreeing with this either.

In flesh terms, Son is, ‘He who is like the Father’

Yes. "Like" is what the whole trinity relationship is based on. He not opposite, so...

A son in the flesh who does not do as his father commands him is rejected as a son...!

Yes. No one is disagreeing.

A Spirit Son who dies not do the works of God is no longer a spirit son of God and is doomed to destruction.

Spirit son?

The idea is that the word was already with god in the beginning. Like goodness, in my example above, this word/message of salvation became incarnated/aka became man. The reason the father made his message man because this man can have a relationship with people. He would be their "personal" savior. That's also why in John it says jesus is between both creator and man because in all denominations, jesus is without sin one one perspective or another.

You have to learn a new perspective. I know all of your arguments. You don't have to agree with the point of view but understand it before you knock it.

Spirit does not procreate but only creates.

No one is saying the spirit creates.

Spirit creates Spirit... God is Spirit... But Angels are not given Spirit creating abilities (the scriptures expresses this as, ‘They marry not’)

Spirit doesn't create spirit. The "spirit" always was. That's the gist of the whole belief system: love is eternal not created.

Flesh can only PROCREATE flesh.

No one is disagreeing (no need to caps.)

Also.

I can't comment in one long post. I loose track. So, I DO break down these quotes and comment on them individually. So, you don't need to caps anything, because I read it all.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Be just a human for once and use and apply human thinking as a biologist teacher says today.

Humans only own their life biologically after the life of an ape...fully formed owned life body, living and expressing its owned consciousness.

No matter what any Satanic science UFOlogist says. About devils and aliens.

Humans are humans, as humans, being humans and talking and thinking and making stories and themes...about all other natural bodies...without being or owning those natural bodies in their own forms.

And then proceed to say informed for the design machine, building machine, ownership machine and control to react the machine...whose reaction does not exist anywhere else or in any other natural information....what the scientist community has lied about for a very long time...by group and peer human established organization.

The biologist theme therefore said we do not need religious belief, for it is exactly the themes of God and Jesus that humans keeps using, inferring, referencing and then trying to destroy us with again.

So says as a human being, as a teaching, just be your own selves, natural where you are as his form of conscious warning in natural life.

When a male is a Father as an adult...and is a human who only owns sperm as his own information to create past my own self...that is the conscious information he is personally aware of.

The exact same is said for the Mother as an adult human, a small cell an ovary.

Then the scientist looks back into what he says is biological history in the atmosphere and tries to compare sperm and an ovary to swimming biological bodies in the state of water.

As the theme, the Destruction of self...to want what we own full life bodies to be compared to microbes or bacteria swimming in the water body that we use to remain alive.

In medical human genetic God information as a Genetic applied study to self human body, to be like God meant the bones of a skeleton...which when by itself is a deceased human being bio life form...what the warnings were about...to compare a life that is a bio/bone life living in an atmospheric body that supports just the Nature of the bio life is why God converters of the mass of stone destroy our life.

As simple as it was always stated.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
It is true that trinity describes three persons.

However, since trinity is false, it matters not what analogies are brought to defend it.


Simple terms before I forget.

The creator has a message of salvation. This message has been with the creator since the beginning; in other words god had a plan from the git go. In the OT, god wanted people to give up offerings themselves in order for him to forgive and reconcile. People still messed* up.

So, the creator decided to take this message of sacrifice and make it into a human. In other words, christians will know the message of salvation by interacting with the incarnation/message/WORD itself: Christ.

In order for people to be reconciled with the creator, they have to follow the message. It was no longer in the law but in an actual person, christ himself. So you go to christ to get to god.

Trinitarians believe that in order to come to the father, you must believe he and his salvation/message are one. You have to believe that they are both one and the same because when you believe one, you in essence believe the other. You can't split the two. That's trinitarian view.

N.T. see it differently (not right or wrong; I'll let you guys argue over that). They say that jesus is a perfect human being. So, god is pointing the way to his father. Basically, christ is pointing to the source. N.T. look at what christ is pointing to. They know to get to the source you must follow christ.

Trini. look at the source AND the person pointing the finger. They cannot separate the two because the source and the person pointing have a direct and unbroken line that to cut it in half (by expression) would be belittling the nature of christ. N.Ts do not see it this way.

Neither right or wrong.
Now my question again is. Why does it make a difference?
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Simple terms before I forget.

The creator has a message of salvation. This message has been with the creator since the beginning; in other words god had a plan from the git go. In the OT, god wanted people to give up offerings themselves in order for him to forgive and reconcile. People still messed* up.

So, the creator decided to take this message of sacrifice and make it into a human. In other words, christians will know the message of salvation by interacting with the incarnation/message/WORD itself: Christ.

In order for people to be reconciled with the creator, they have to follow the message. It was no longer in the law but in an actual person, christ himself. So you go to christ to get to god.

Trinitarians believe that in order to come to the father, you must believe he and his salvation/message are one. You have to believe that they are both one and the same because when you believe one, you in essence believe the other. You can't split the two. That's trinitarian view.

N.T. see it differently (not right or wrong; I'll let you guys argue over that). They say that jesus is a perfect human being. So, god is pointing the way to his father. Basically, christ is pointing to the source. N.T. look at what christ is pointing to. They know to get to the source you must follow christ.

Trini. look at the source AND the person pointing the finger. They cannot separate the two because the source and the person pointing have a direct and unbroken line that to cut it in half (by expression) would be belittling the nature of christ. N.Ts do not see it this way.

Neither right or wrong.
Now my question again is. Why does it make a difference?

What you just said...I am a human male being a human and a Father, yet was also once a baby.

Our spiritual Father invented science, as a brotherhood, and it attacked converted and sacrificed our natural life. My male genetics was removed out of his male adult body....and our Father adult self, was hurt and sacrificed and suffered.

One condition that no scientist ever owned was the natural heavenly gas spirit body, which the male in science awareness said.....I was returned by it and it healed me.

By what conditions ask the scientist today....what a miracle he says, Jesus the body of sacrificed and given stigmata...the stigmata his death as per mind notified in medical science, humans were dying he said...suddenly disappeared, the attack left and we returned our cell life from our death.

What a miracle he says...and the Satanist organization today says, yes I want to understand that theme...for a non stop infinite resourced machine reaction.

Brother is your machine your bio life then? Possessed obviously by AI.

In reality, the natural atmospheric heavenly mass/spirits owned an immaculate statement, natural history in cold space.

With no knowledge whatsoever scientifically about natural evolution and conditions of a hot gas in cold empty deep space and the amount of pressure applied in the state....hotter space or lower spatial conditions...for pressure is variable.

Earth irradiated opened up into radiated mass space...SINK HOLES...removal of the physical mass of God the stone, all machine science themes and theories and want of the power of....God made God the Earth drop deeper into real space...by the opening of those sink holes...spaces.

Pressure changed.....gases expanding into bursting destruction got saved.

Expansion or enlargement JAPETH he said in science statements, being ARK irradiated by the Sun attack on our mountains...as seen in Ararat and Sinai...was stopped….life was saved he says a miracle...and I stopped dying and was saved.

God is a miracle they claim...yet it is scientifically medically explained as cause and effect.

Conditions that occult scientists with their machines do not control, will never own and ought to give up on all of their lying.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
Addressing the OP, he's neither. he's a "diversity" of his ownself in flesh.


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101G

Well-Known Member
Confusing and does not address the topic.
Maybe you don't understand. I'm simply saying that Jesus is the ROOT and the OFFSPRING, which is the Diversity of God himself in flesh.
or better in layman's terms, Jesus is the First, (the Ordinal First), and the Last, (the Ordinal Last ),of his ownself. which eliminates any Trinity or a Unity


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101G
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Maybe you don't understand. I'm simply saying that Jesus is the ROOT and the OFFSPRING, which is the Diversity of God himself in flesh.
or better in layman's terms, Jesus is the First, (the Ordinal First), and the Last, (the Ordinal Last ),of his ownself. which eliminates any Trinity or a Unity


PICJAG
101G

This clarifies your view a bit, but you insert 'Diversity?,' which does not change the problem of claiming is (Diversity) of God Himself in the flesh.

Your explanation remains 'traditional' Trinitarianism.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
This clarifies your view a bit, but you insert 'Diversity?,' which does not change the problem of claiming is (Diversity) of God Himself in the flesh.

Your explanation remains 'traditional' Trinitarianism.
first thanks for the reply, second, no, I'm not Trinitarian. see that word, "Offspring", in Revelation 22:16, it's the Greek word, G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096

see how the kjv can translate the word, "Diversity" . it's just another word for "Offspring".

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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
first thanks for the reply, second, no, I'm not Trinitarian. see that word, "Offspring", in Revelation 22:16, it's the Greek word, G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096

see how the kjv can translate the word, "Diversity" . it's just another word for "Offspring".
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101G

Not in the KJV
 

101G

Well-Known Member
Not in the KJV
Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
offspring is another word for "diversity".. it's in the kjv. just used as another word..... BINGO.

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101G
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
offspring is another word for "diversity".. it's in the kjv. just used as another word..... BINGO.

PICJAG
101G

No 'Bingo,' no reference here concerning the incarnation of God as the Son of God. The reference to the root and offspring is descendent of the House of David in literal Hebrew.

Use of 'Diversity' remains NOT a King James reference.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
No 'Bingo,' no reference here concerning the incarnation of God as the Son of God. The reference to the root and offspring is descendent of the House of David in literal Hebrew.

Use of 'Diversity' remains NOT a King James reference.
"no reference here concerning the incarnation of God as the Son of God", lol, so we can take this as you have no clue what a "offspring" means? correct. nor do you have a clue to the meaning of ROOT or OFFSPRING as in the Hebrew, as repersentive numbers in the ordibal numbers system, ether..... do you....... as in ordinal numbers the First/Aleph, and Last/Tav..

but no worries...... stay in the dark.

but thanks for the reply.

PICJAG
101G
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
"no reference here concerning the incarnation of God as the Son of God", lol, so we can take this as you have no clue what a "offspring" means? correct. nor do you have a clue to the meaning of ROOT or OFFSPRING as in the Hebrew, as repersentive numbers in the ordibal numbers system, ether..... do you....... as in ordinal numbers the First/Aleph, and Last/Tav..

but no worries...... stay in the dark.

but thanks for the reply.

PICJAG
101G

The words for 'root and offspring' in Hebrew never have had any reference to an incarnate Son of God. They are simply reference to natural descendants of the House of David.

The prophetic Messiah in the Torah would be the King of the Jews descendant from the House of David.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
The words for 'root and offspring' in Hebrew never have had any reference to an incarnate Son of God. They are simply reference to natural descendants of the House of David.

The prophetic Messiah in the Torah would be the King of the Jews descendant from the House of David.
Is not the Lord Jesus that king?

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101G

Well-Known Member
Yes Christians believe this. That is not the question. The problem is basing on the text of the Torah to justify Jesus Christ as the 'Incarnate Son of God.'
the bible do, Jesus is the Ordina l First... Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" that's the Lord Jesus right there, without flesh, without bone, and without blood... the "LORD", all caps, in hebrew the "Aleph". and in the NT,. Jesus with flesh, with bone, and with BLOOD, is called the Last, the ordinal Last, the son, the same one person. supportive scripture, 1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." BINGO.
it's you have no clue as to what ordinal n umbers are.... that's all.

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