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Satanists denied opening prayer for the third time in Boston.

Sand Dancer

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
lewisnotmiller said:
If you want the US to be a Christian country, then that's your position. I don't agree with it, but I can understand it.
It's confusing to me when people argue for 'religious liberty', but also Christian primacy. Those positions don't sit comfortably.
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They want us to be Christian, but they don't want us to help the poor, sick and marginalized, as well as love their neighbor as themselves, like Jesus said to do.
 
IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
9-10ths_Penguin said:
You're free to pray however you want, provided it's on your own or with like-minded people participating of their own free will.

The issue only arises when you try to impose prayer on others against their will.
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Like I said, we see what the actual agenda is here. Thank you for being honest.
 
IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
9-10ths_Penguin said:
Right: the actual agenda is religious freedom and religious equality.

I don't understand why you keep on reacting as if this is scandalous. Do you think there's something wrong with either of these things?
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You are trying to shut down the time honored tradition of things like opening congress with a prayer. If the prayer is not denominational, i.e. not explicitly Christian, it does not violate constitutional prohibitions.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
IndigoChild5559 said:
You are trying to shut down the time honored tradition of things like opening congress with a prayer.
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That's right. It's a negative, oppressive tradition.

If the prayer is not denominational, i.e. not explicitly Christian, it does not violate constitutional prohibitions.
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The Supreme Court disagrees with you. Google the Lemon Test if you aren't familiar with it.

And why would we set the bar at merely what's constitutional, anyway? Personally, I demand that my legislative assemblies meet a much higher standard than just barely not violating the supreme law of the land. I demand that mine do things like uphold equity and respect for all citizens. Why don't you?

Edit: you didn't answer my question. What's wrong with my position?
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
IndigoChild5559 said:
You are trying to shut down the time honored tradition of things like opening congress with a prayer.
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There's many time honored traditions we've stopped doing, for reasons such as they are things that are improper and immoral to do, they are things that just do not work like we once thought, or realizing they are things better kept private. And we really have learned religion works better in private, because in the public it has long caused needless conflict. It especially gets ugly and nasty for everyone when it mingles with the state. Again, this is needlessly.
IndigoChild5559 said:
If the prayer is not denominational, i.e. not explicitly Christian, it does not violate constitutional prohibitions.
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Women not being allowed to vote didn't violate the Constitution at one point in time. And the requirement is it doesn't have to be non-denominational, it has to be all or none. And it's exceptionally and significantly easier to just go with the none. No one's superstitions or dogma or mythology get promoted over another, no one gets left out or excluded, and like everybody else they can just show up and get to work.
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Wrangler said:
Fortunately, America is NOT and never was a Democracy. See Article IV, Section 4 of US Constitution.
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I'm sick of seeing people make the stupid claim that democracies and republics are somehow at odds with each other. Do you know what either of those two things are? It doesn't seem so!

We vote to elect representatives, hence it's a democracy. Not a direct democracy but still a democracy. Or it's supposed it be. It sure isn't now.
 
Kelly of the Phoenix

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Wrangler said:
Simply put, the exception is that America's government was founded on the principle of limited government. America is the only country in the history of the world based/founded on individual rights and limited government. This idea can be and should be frequently traced back to its source.
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Maybe during the articles of confederation, but confederacies don’t work, so we changed to the stronger constitution.
 
Kelly of the Phoenix

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Wrangler said:
That is, I believe it is important for everyone in this country - and the world - to keep in mind the Founding principles of America, aka the Spirit of '76.
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The spirit of the 1% who wanted Britain to protect them from Natives they persecuted and didn’t want to pay for the service.
 
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