tarasan
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Why would they need aircraft? Helicopters I get so they can follow persuits and stuff.
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Defunding the police
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tarasan
Well-Known Member
Is that on average?
The article presents no analysis of causation.
For example....
To incentivize sending convicts to private prisons could
simply mean that fewer are sent to government prisons.
In doing so, this would reduce government's costs in
their own prisons.
This contractual relationship doesn't appear to cause
the justice industrial complex (JIC) to want to imprison
more people.
These are simply more detailed claims, not justification
of the larger claim.
I see a different set of problems....
Too much criminalization of harmless behavior, too much
reliance upon imprisonment, too much violence in prison
(both private & government), unfairness of the bail system,
government treating fines & penalties as a profit center, etc.
Orbit
I'm a planet
"Defunding" is misleading as a term. What activists are asking for is a re-allocation of city budgets to take money that the police dept really doesn't need and is spending money buying military equipment with, and giving the funds to social service agencies. For example, police shouldn't be dispatched to mental health calls, mental health professionals should be, and they need funding. That's just one example.
It should have been called 'Refunding the police' which would have been more descriptive and gone over better with the public. What they are requesting is a change to policing...more social workers and fewer skull bashers.
Yes. Just saying what they meant would have been much better instead of being mysterious and floaty.
amorphous_constellation
Well-Known Member
Depends on why society determines why police are needed.. They are there obviously, as mediators between individuals and a wrong. So I guess the theory is, that the public can't be trusted to mediate their own issues. This is another angle on the whole thing
tarasan
Well-Known Member
The more I am reading of you guys post the more I am thinking a definition of policing to more protective and have more of a connection between frontline services. For example police are there for protection and to protect the public. In terms of mental health call outs they should be in certain mental health call outs, to be there to support the social worker who goes in to assess the patient if it is dangerous, especially if it is to involuntary place them in hospital. They should also be there to support support workers who's vulnerable patients have absconded and they need support to bring them back or cannot leave their house due to other responsibilities.
Policing from what I have heard needs to be broader in America and needs to have stronger ties with other services with constables being hired specifically to bridge the gap between them. Better communication means better understanding which leads to better outcomes for the service users and society. Does that mean less funding or that funding they have already is relocated to training and jobs that support these kinds of changes is for politicians and (hopefully) appropriate professionals within the role to figure out, But merely taking money away won't solve the problem u need to integrate policing within front line services and give a clear protective role to them.
tarasan
Well-Known Member
As a care worker for about 11 years I have had alot of experince with people being unable to do this I have seen people blantatly lie about serious issues to punish a partner, to a random person on a street attacking somone and getting a social worker to their door for something that is observably not true. Unfortunately there is a minority in our society that use services as weapons so yes sometimes mediation is necessary.
Orbit
I'm a planet
The police themselves resent having to act as social workers. Other agencies need to step in in these cases.
amorphous_constellation
Well-Known Member
I see .. I'm not sure if your posts will , if I continue to read them, cohere with the north american political situation , now that I read that you are in the UK. I happen to like to the U.K., but from what I understand, there isn't that much symmetry between our policing institution and yours. You might notice that this past summer, our country was inflamed with protests against police brutality for example, where there are stories of police shooting rubber bullets right into people's faces, for example. Our police are quite armed, sometimes with military grade stuff, unlike yours, who, if I understand it correctly, aren't armed.
Now I recognize that maybe sometimes a level of force is sometimes necessary, but in our country it seems far overused. Encounters with police have often left me quite uncomfortable, and I got screamed at once because I gesticulated. To give some further detail, I am said to be on the autistic spectrum and... social cues sometimes elude me
esmith
Veteran Member
Do you know one of the most dangerous calls a LEO can receive? Give you a hint.....domestic distrubance.
Orbit
I'm a planet
Yep. Growing up my mom was a police dispatcher. Today one of the academic departments I supervise is Criminal Justice, with many ex-officers who have strong opinions about this.
ETA: In the first six months of health care professionals replacing police officers, no one they encountered was arrested
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amorphous_constellation
Well-Known Member
If the police are going to deal with that, are they trained to go into that situation with a mindset of deescalation, and if they aren't, doesn't that contribute to likelihood of it becoming deadly?
Totally agree!
Suave
Simulated character
I fully concur with your person-kindly approach to augmenting the police. I'd like us to convey this concept of augmenting the police to our community activist leaders. If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.
I'm a fan of justice, but not big on empathy.
(Challenged in that area.) But we can still
be on the same side.