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There is no Judaism vs. Christianity - There is Judaism and there is Christianity

Ehav4Ever

Well-Known Member
Please don't mock Judaism also as you mock Christianity--both faiths teach Messiah will appear bodily at the Mount of Olives!

I am not mocking anything. If what you say happens, have someone give me a phone call so I can know it happens. At least an SMS. It is not like I am asking for a big miracle.

I am not a part of any faith that teaches that Jesus is going to show up anywhere in this time or the future. So, if you say something is going to happen that involves someone claiming to be Jesus be sure to let us all know that day it happens. That isn't to much to ask and you did posit that potentially you were being used as a messenger. ;)

I say that in all seriousness because there have been Christians here in Israel who got Jerusalem Syndrome and thought they were Jesus or Mary.


Let's also not forgot that guy in Brazil who claimed he was Jesus come back.

This Man Claims He Is Jesus Christ Reincarnated

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Ehav4Ever

Well-Known Member
You're making no sense of the situation IMHO. Countless millions of deep intellectuals--scientists, professors, etc. are Jewish or Christian and expect a literal Messiah to appear at The Mount. These people aren't meshuggeneh.

Yeah, I am the only one not making sense. ;) Okay, so let's put this a different way.

When whatever you say is supposed to happen - happens - then you post to this thread, or start a new thread, and let me know. I will look out of my window and see if something is happening; afterwhich I will confirm that what you say is supposed to happen is happening. I live in Jerusalem, so if what you say is supposed to happen - happens - it will be visable from where I live. Is that any better?
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Yeah, I am the only one not making sense. ;) Okay, so let's put this a different way.

When whatever you say is supposed to happen - happens - then you post to this thread, or start a new thread, and let me know. I will look out of my window and see if something is happening; afterwhich I will confirm that what you say is supposed to happen is happening. I live in Jerusalem, so if what you say is supposed to happen - happens - it will be visable from where I live. Is that any better?

Not at all. Hundreds of thousands of Jews trusted Jesus when He was here, and many more have trusted Him based in numerous fulfilled prophecies already.
 

Ehav4Ever

Well-Known Member
Not at all. Hundreds of thousands of Jews trusted Jesus when He was here, and many more have trusted Him based in numerous fulfilled prophecies already.

Okay, so let's try this one more time. Since the NT authors claimed that Jesus would come like a theif in the night - all of us living here in Jerusalem will need a favor from you//Hundreds of thousands of Jews who trusted Jesus.

When whatever you/Hundreds of thousands of Jews who trusted Jesus say/said is supposed to happen - happens - then you/Hundreds of thousands of Jews trusted Jesus post to this thread, or start a new thread, and let me know. I will look out of my window and see if something is happening; afterwhich I will confirm that what you/Hundreds of thousands of Jews who trusted Jesus say/said is supposed to happen is happening. I live in Jerusalem, so if what you//Hundreds of thousands of Jews who trusted Jesus say/said is supposed to happen - happens - it will be visable from where I live.

Is that better now?
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Okay, so let's try this one more time. Since the NT authors claimed that Jesus would come like a theif in the night - all of us living here in Jerusalem will need a favor from you//Hundreds of thousands of Jews who trusted Jesus.

When whatever you/Hundreds of thousands of Jews who trusted Jesus say/said is supposed to happen - happens - then you/Hundreds of thousands of Jews trusted Jesus post to this thread, or start a new thread, and let me know. I will look out of my window and see if something is happening; afterwhich I will confirm that what you/Hundreds of thousands of Jews who trusted Jesus say/said is supposed to happen is happening. I live in Jerusalem, so if what you//Hundreds of thousands of Jews who trusted Jesus say/said is supposed to happen - happens - it will be visable from where I live.

Is that better now?

You're making my point for me. The warning is that unbelievers will be struck suddenly, like a thief in the night, while believers will NOT be shocked that Jesus returns. I would be joyful, not shocked. Biblically speaking, there will terrible times for Jerusalem and the nations warring against Israel (not a shock if we think about how the goyim have behaved) while ones worldwide are doing their thing, working, marrying, living--just as in the days that passed until the Flood that Noach warned about--and next, the Return the believers warned about, struck the world.

My question is whether you might be a Saul who will become a great evangelist or are a different kind of leader, who was as white on the outside as a tomb on the Mount of Olives but dirty inside and unwilling to trust the true Mikveh of the Spirit of G_d. I was once like you--either potential was mine.

Bear in mind that all Yeshua said in context is sensical, not nonsense. For example, Matthew 23 where he warns the religious can be whitewashed tombs was spoken atop the very Southern Steps from which the Mount with its white tombs is visible.

You are arguing against common misconceptions about the NT scriptures that can be alleviated during a day's stroll through the Old City.

One more example? Jesus's chief miracles in Jerusalem were to heal a lame man at Bethesda and a blind man at Siloam. He also healed the blind and the lame again after overturning the money changers' tables in the courts of the Gentiles. And when David turned Jebus into Jerusalem 1,000 years before the time of Moshiach, the Jebusites mocked David that the blind and the lame could defend the stronghold, and David replied in Tanakh "whoever hates the blind and lame come with me to take the city . . . "

God thus made both a prophecy and a mark of the men of God--David and Yeshua didn't want blind and lame people to remain so. Yeshua had real power for a chance. So don't be blind (spiritually) or lame (shackled by immorality).
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Hahahahahaha


No

You don't know that the entire NT was written by Jews? Or that many prominent Christians through the millennia came to trust Jesus as Jews? You don't know that the Messianic communities are growing now in places like the USA and Israel?
 

Ehav4Ever

Well-Known Member
You're making my point for me. The warning is that unbelievers will be struck suddenly, like a thief in the night, while believers will NOT be shocked that Jesus returns.

Given that various Christian denominations have varied views of what jesus was/is/etc. as well as the so called second coming I am asking you, or the hundreds of thousands of people you wrote about earlier, for something very simple.

Let me know, either by RF thread, when your particular version takes place and the sudden striking has started. If it is actually happening I will post that I am looking outside and I see your version of events taking place in contrast to the versions of JW, Mormons, etc. Better yet, have him call and say he came like a theif in the night. Fair enough?
 

Ehav4Ever

Well-Known Member
One more example? Jesus's chief miracles in Jerusalem were to heal a lame man at Bethesda and a blind man at Siloam. He also healed the blind and the lame again after overturning the money changers' tables in the courts of the Gentiles.

I am glad you mentioned this. I have a few questions that maybe only you can answer. What happened to all of the people that the NT authors claim Jesus healed? They are never mentioned again in any other Christian writings that I have heard of. Are there any Christians today who descend from them?

Also, why didn't Jesus write his own gospel?
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
You don't know that the entire NT was written by Jews? Or that many prominent Christians through the millennia came to trust Jesus as Jews? You don't know that the Messianic communities are growing now in places like the USA and Israel?
Other things written by Jews:
The Communist Manifesto - Wikipedia
On the Relation between the Expansion and the Mean Density of the Universe
I, Robot - Wikipedia
The Crucible - Wikipedia

That they were written by Jews doesn't necessarily make them Jewish or meaningful to Jews.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
You don't know that the entire NT was written by Jews?

Irrelevant to your "point" of hundreds of thousands of Jews following Jesus in his time.

Also weird argument. Just because some Jews choose to rape and kill doesn't mean that I have to choose that for myself. And neither is it an argument against Judaism.


Or that many prominent Christians through the millennia came to trust Jesus as Jews?

Let me guess, they got prominent by becoming Christians.

Also irrelevant to your "point" of hundreds of thousands of Jews following Jesus in his time.


You don't know that the Messianic communities are growing now in places like the USA and Israel?

"growing" lol
Let me guess, according to their own numbers.

Also irrelevant to your "point" of hundreds of thousands of Jews following Jesus in his time.


Don't think I don't know why you are changing the subject. You know that you've spoken out of your butt when you made that claim and now you have to change the topic to something else.

Typical Christian behaviour. You have learned nothing since the disputation of Barcelona.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Given that various Christian denominations have varied views of what jesus was/is/etc. as well as the so called second coming I am asking you, or the hundreds of thousands of people you wrote about earlier, for something very simple.

Let me know, either by RF thread, when your particular version takes place and the sudden striking has started. If it is actually happening I will post that I am looking outside and I see your version of events taking place in contrast to the versions of JW, Mormons, etc. Better yet, have him call and say he came like a theif in the night. Fair enough?

Multiple interpretations from varied groups does not negate truth, examples of this include Herodians vs. Zealots vs. Essenes or Satmars differing with Conservatives.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
I am glad you mentioned this. I have a few questions that maybe only you can answer. What happened to all of the people that the NT authors claim Jesus healed? They are never mentioned again in any other Christian writings that I have heard of. Are there any Christians today who descend from them?

Also, why didn't Jesus write his own gospel?

What do you mean by "Christians who've descended?" We Jews descend as a people--born again Christians are individuals who trust, so because someone was healed a century before doesn't mean his great grandson will choose to trust Jesus for salvation.

Why didn't Herod or Caesar write their own records?
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Irrelevant to your "point" of hundreds of thousands of Jews following Jesus in his time.

Also weird argument. Just because some Jews choose to rape and kill doesn't mean that I have to choose that for myself. And neither is it an argument against Judaism.




Let me guess, they got prominent by becoming Christians.

Also irrelevant to your "point" of hundreds of thousands of Jews following Jesus in his time.




"growing" lol
Let me guess, according to their own numbers.

Also irrelevant to your "point" of hundreds of thousands of Jews following Jesus in his time.


Don't think I don't know why you are changing the subject. You know that you've spoken out of your butt when you made that claim and now you have to change the topic to something else.

Typical Christian behaviour. You have learned nothing since the disputation of Barcelona.

What was your typical behavior from your post prior to this one?
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
*Blink. Blink.*

Please provide some evidence for this wild claim.

Claim: Countless millions of deep intellectuals--scientists, professors, etc. are Jewish or Christian and expect a literal Messiah to appear at The Mount.

Answer: For millennia, people have believed in a literal Return of Christ, for example, as in Acts 1:9. Formerly, there was no western science or academia that was irreligious. Currently, millions of intelligent people are atheists, others are devout Christian literalists.
 
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