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Truth: either God exists or He don't.

Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Pilgrim Soldier said:
But there's only one truth and billions of liars, how do you deal with that harsh reality
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You do not seem to realize that applies to you too. Fear keeps people from seeing if they are really right or really wrong at times.

I know that you hate the sciences, even though you rely on them every day of your life. Scientists are not afraid to test their ideas. They have to test their ideas. And they do so regularly. Scientists do not have the fear that some theists do.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Trailblazer said:
There isn't only one truth, there are many different truths that were revealed in different ages.
There are also billions of liars, but that is another subject.
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He may challenge you to find a nonexistent verse yourself. Which of course is extremely illogical. I have shown that he was wrong several times about what was in the Bible by quoting specific verses, as I did tonight. He just pretends that the corrections never happened. Which is why I do not take his claim of him offering everything he has if I post a biblical contradiction seriously.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Trailblazer said:
It does not matter if you find the contradictions unless he will admit they are contradictions. ;)
What do you think is the chance of that happening?
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Zero. Which is why I refused to find him any. I also knew that he would not be reasonable and allow an impartial judge decide who was right. He knows that he is wrong, he just has a good line. But when push comes to shove he won't allow a fair test. Several times I have shown that his overzealous approach is wrong. I don't see him changing soon. But he may be here for a reason.
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

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Pilgrim Soldier said:
But there's only one truth and billions of liars, how do you deal with that harsh reality
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If I may jump in here for a moment and ask a question....
This God that created people that do good, also created people that do evil.
This God that created people that save lives, also created people that take lives.
If this God created everything, why would he create evil or even let it exist?
Let me reiterate a little. If God knew/knows what would happen, why would he create something that he knew would turn evil?
Also with every single species he created, they kill to survive. Why would he says we are sinning if we do the same as every other species he created?
 
Samael_Khan

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
Pilgrim Soldier said:
How do you know that nobody knows the truth? Answer = you think everyone is as lost as you are. Well I have news for you, many of us actually do know the truth, so please don't speak on my behalf as it is disrespectful to put others who you don't know in your category
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I know that nobody knows "the" truth because then they would know everything about the universe. That is why you are incapable of presenting any objective evidence to back up your claim.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Subduction Zone said:
Zero. Which is why I refused to find him any. I also knew that he would not be reasonable and allow an impartial judge decide who was right. He knows that he is wrong, he just has a good line. But when push comes to shove he won't allow a fair test. Several times I have shown that his overzealous approach is wrong. I don't see him changing soon. But he may be here for a reason.
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I do not think he knows he is wrong, but he might be here for a reason. ;)
 
Samael_Khan

Samael_Khan

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Pilgrim Soldier said:
I'm happy to hear that you rely on some man made and manufactured system to help you make sense of the world. But that product doesn't satisfy my strict standards for evaluating theories. I need actual proof, not just suggestions and invented models which have no place in the real world.
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The Bible is compilation of man made books which you rely on to make sense of the world. They manufactured your beliefs.

And you don't have actual proof, which is why you fail to present it. Your standards are not strict at all. You rely on the argument from ignorance to back up your claims, which isn't evidence in the least.
 
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Samael_Khan

Samael_Khan

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Pilgrim Soldier said:
There's no such thing as aliens, we know that for sure but we do have Demons posing and manifesting into all kinds of creatures.
Satan and His demons rule this world system, that's why everything is degenerating and descending into self destruction
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Your ideas about there having been a more advanced civilisation that controlled dinosaurs and made the pyramids tends to fit in the ancient aliens ore Atlantis theories.

Can you elaborate on who these advanced civilisations of the past were?
 
Samael_Khan

Samael_Khan

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Pilgrim Soldier said:
I thirst for truth and true knowledge, but I detest false theories and lies. I believe secular science is ruled by the powers of darkness, who are hell bent on our destruction. God said "people are destroyed by lack of knowledge" He was referring to ignorance and those who embrace the lies of the enemy.
There are many voices competing for your heart and mind, most of these have wicked intentions so we must remain vigilant at all times
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Actually you do not thirst for truth and knowledge as has been shown on this thread. You claim to know the truth, therefore your thirst for knowledge should be quenched. By your own admission, you do not believe that you lack in knowledge therefore you would have no more knowledge to gain.
 
Samael_Khan

Samael_Khan

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Pilgrim Soldier said:
The Bible is not man made, that's a big fat lie. Which man could know the whole of human history and record it as if it had already came to pass.
The Bible contains tomorrows news headlines in it, yet it was recorded so long ago. Every single prophecy has come to pass with 100% accuracy so you can bet your house that the rest will happen just as predicted
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The bible books themselves claim to be man made. Examples, Luke, the Epistles, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes etc. Very few of them claim to be inspired by God even.

You are assuming that what they say about history is correct, for what reason I do not know.

Name prophecies that came to pass. I bet that your interpretation of it will be different to other Christian groups, that you haven't interpreted every single prophecy in the Bible and you cherry pick which scripture should be translated literally and which figuratively. I would love to see you have a discussion with a Seventh Day Adventist or Jehovah's Witness on prophecy.
 
Samael_Khan

Samael_Khan

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Pilgrim Soldier said:
I will give you my house, my cars and my wife if you find a single contradiction or error in the Bible. There are millions of us willing to give you all we have, if you do
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1. The genealogy of Jesus

2. “… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30
“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18

3. “… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26

“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19

4. “The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20

“I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5

5.“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.” — James 1:13

“And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham…” — Genesis 22:1
 
Samael_Khan

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
Trailblazer said:
I know your heart is in the right place and I am not one to give up either, but I have learned that some things are a lost cause and it does not take that long to figure out when they are. Return to reason?
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Thing is, you cannot defeat emotions with facts. Emotions override facts. Its like a survival mechanism.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Israel Khan said:
1. The genealogy of Jesus

2. “… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30
“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18

3. “… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26

“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19

4. “The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20

“I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5

5.“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.” — James 1:13

“And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham…” — Genesis 22:1
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You just got yourself 5 wives!
 
ElishaElijah

ElishaElijah

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Subduction Zone said:
Of course I can. And so can you. That is why one needs to properly test one's beliefs. Something that most theists either are afraid to do or cannot do. Your own descriptions sound like classic confirmation bias.
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Subduction Zone said:
Of course I can. And so can you. That is why one needs to properly test one's beliefs. Something that most theists either are afraid to do or cannot do. Your own descriptions sound like classic confirmation bias.
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Well if it was year 1 or a few isolated instances of testimony then maybe you could say that but after 30 years when someone testifies you shouldn’t brush that off and make a false diagnosis like that. My testimony is true, I’m not lying or mistaken that it was God Almighty that has done great things for me and demonstrated His faithfulness to me.
 
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