616---The Number of the Beast

firedragon said:

But still, it didnt begin in 666. So the dating is wrong. I mean, you made a wrong statement to which I replied to.

So, the beast 666 referring to the Umayyad dynasty and the advent of Muawiyah is wrong. I am not getting into other theological stuff here. Just the number, and the error in your assessment that this referred to the year 666.

Click to expand...

No it’s not wrong. The year 666 AD fell under his rule.

loverofhumanity said:

No it’s not wrong. The year 666 AD fell under his rule.

Click to expand...

Nope. that's wrong.

See brother, something wrong cannot be proven right by just saying "this is it" repeatedly.

Even according to Hoylands book, which I will give a snapshot here, says as any other historian says that Muawiyah's reign begin in the year 661. So bro, dont repeat this. It does not make a lie a truth.

firedragon said:

Nope. that's wrong.

See brother, something wrong cannot be proven right by just saying "this is it" repeatedly.

Even according to Hoylands book, which I will give a snapshot here, says as any other historian says that Muawiyah's reign begin in the year 661. So bro, dont repeat this. It does not make a lie a truth.

View attachment 46990

Click to expand...

It’s amazing accuracy that the beast and 666AD happen to coincide with a Caliph who opposed the Imamate ruled. Sorry if that’s not clear to you.

loverofhumanity said:

Rev. 12:1

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.


Abdul-Bahá’s interpretation


“And in chapter 12 it is said: “And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.” This woman is that bride, the religion of God, that descended upon Muḥammad. The sun with which she was clothed, and the moon which was under her feet, are the two governments which are under the shadow of that religion, the Persian and the Ottoman, for the emblem of Persia is the sun and that of the Ottoman Empire is the “crescent moon. Thus the sun and the moon allude to two governments under the shadow of the religion of God. Afterwards it is said: “upon her head a crown of twelve stars”. These twelve stars represent the twelve Imáms, who were the promoters of the religion of Muḥammad and the educators of the nation, and who shone as stars in the heaven of guidance.”


Some Answered Questions

‘Abdu’l‑Bahá

Click to expand...

23.9.2017 bahay
and like a house of cards, your prophecies have fallen apart
1948 israel +1 generation welcome 1948+70 2018 +-

WhoIsBeast 750 said:

23.9.2017 bahay
and like a house of cards, your prophecies have fallen apart
1948 israel +1 generation welcome 1948+70 2018 +-

Click to expand...

WhoIsBeast 750 said:

23.9.2017 bahay
and like a house of cards, your prophecies have fallen apart
1948 israel +1 generation welcome 1948+70 2018 +-

Click to expand...

Do you have a link in English?

loverofhumanity said:

It’s amazing accuracy that the beast and 666AD happen to coincide with a Caliph who opposed the Imamate ruled. Sorry if that’s not clear to you.

Click to expand...

It didnt happen. So, repeating the same lie will not make it true.. You are intentionally avoiding answering the wrong year mate.

Cheers.

firedragon said:

It didnt happen. So, repeating the same lie will not make it true.. You are intentionally avoiding answering the wrong year mate.

Cheers.

Click to expand...

No one is lying here. I told you that the number 666 has been interpreted as year 666AD when a ruling Caliph was opposing the Imamate. This is not about something happening. It’s about who is supposed to be the beast. And the year 666 AD points to that Caliph as being in power in that year, so he is identified as the beast by Abdul-Baha because of his attacks on the Imamate. Historically he was the Caliph. in power in that year.

I’ve tried to be clear and respectful.

[QUOTE = "loverofhumanity, příspěvek: 6994432, člen: 59171"] Máte odkaz v angličtině? [/ QUOTE]


Biblical signs in the sky on September 23, 2017? | EarthSky.org

X x this website

loverofhumanity said:

No one is lying here. I told you that the number 666 has been interpreted as year 666AD when a ruling Caliph was opposing the Imamate. This is not about something happening. It’s about who is supposed to be the beast. And the year 666 AD points to that Caliph as being in power in that year, so he is identified as the beast by Abdul-Baha because of his attacks on the Imamate. Historically he was the Caliph. in power in that year.

I’ve tried to be clear and respectful.

Click to expand...

because the books have not yet been opened, neither he nor Bahai understand him, there is a very complex symbolism

Natural owns no numbers.

Space the volume owns no measure so there rationally is no number either as counting hasn't claimed a number by created presence which includes space.

Why satanic express of Sion lied. As Sion is Fu Sion.

Fis Sion fish h terrestrial changes to magnetism caused.

Already taught science changed the food of life in holy wAter by placating Be end. Meaning last.

God was only first not last.

I was shown an elder man Mayan vision. When temple sciences combusted crops irradiated polluted ground water.

Mother life records said it had been re recorded to her female records as proof. A memory of man teaching.

Mars on fire burning.

Rational minus one means one worse inheritance guaranteed.

We are minus one earth. The vision passed earth through the cooled black hole. Mars got pulled through it hot.

Father said you knew space stretched cools and contracts so black holes move.

Knew as a scientist

If Jesus died losing seven from Moses 40 to Jesus 33. Then if we lose another 7 is 28.

12 from Moses 40 to current time is not very much light mass.

Heated atmosphere activates vacuum for snap freeze.

Latest experiment proves seasonal cooling has occurred one year later.

As I want to know is lying. When science already knew. A machine owns idle state itself.

Science always knew a heated atmospheric giant dinosaur life got vacuum snap frozen. No scientist then. Natural did it.

Space stated to own presence of a holy life mass only supported cold pressure for a crystalline earth fusion.

The jewEL of God teaching. Christ spirit never held by God...cup of jewels..crown of King.

Christ was poor in spirit as compared to God earth mass. Relativity. Natural light gas burning.

Why ice became the replacement mass to the jewel.

Relativity stable life....ice presence holy.never change cross as seasonal balances the warning.

To occult nuclear theists.

Science agreed to a non alchemical change. Nuclear had been forbidden by consensus.

loverofhumanity said:

No one is lying here. I told you that the number 666 has been interpreted as year 666AD when a ruling Caliph was opposing the Imamate.

Click to expand...

No. Thats not what you said.

loverofhumanity said:

CE 666 Mu’awiya proclaims as the First UmayyAD Caliph CE 666–749 UmayyAD Caliphate (Damascus)

Click to expand...

Thats what you said.

And this is what I said.

""Even according to Hoylands book, which I will give a snapshot here, says as any other historian says that Muawiyah's reign begin in the year 661. So bro, dont repeat this. It does not make a lie a truth. ""

ANd I gave you even a scan of the book. Let me do that again.
You see? Fourth time, same answer, and you ignore this fact of history. It is impossible that you are ignoring it by mistake, so you are purposefully ignoring it. I would say as usual.

Also, "SOMEONE LIED TO YOU". You are repeating it without any processing.

Honestly, this is a pattern with Bahai apologetics.

Engage honestly and directly with facts and respect will be earned brother.

Anyway, though you claim to have "STUDIED" all of this, it seems like you need some very kindergarten level education on this simple matters.

The first Umayyad Khalif was Usman bin affan, known as the third khalif of the Muslims of Arabia. But, though he was of the Umayyad, it was not called the "Umayyad Empire", thus when Muawiyah took over in the year 661, that was officially the advent of the Umayyad khalifate. So even if you repeat that 666 was the year that happened, six hundred and sixty six million times, falsehood does not become history or historical fact.

You said now.

loverofhumanity said:

CE 666 Mu’awiya proclaims as the First UmayyAD Caliph CE 666–749 UmayyAD Caliphate (Damascus)

Click to expand...

Untrue. Umayyads ruledduring 41–132 Hijri and 661–749 A.D. The fourth Khalif Ali ruled from 656 to 661, and was immediately taken over by the Umayyad Dynasty, vis a vis, Muawiyah.

So, there is absolutely no point in repeating the same lie someone told you. Rather, investigate and accept that you made either a mistake or a miscalculation. Dont repeat the same error time and time again. Its shameful.

OMG.

Humans are humans as humans being humans.

We do not own any secondary advice.

Brotherhood lying human science history group bullying.

Natural life mother's fathers grandparents relations babies tribal equality.

Civilization status bullies..inventors trade powermongering manipulating humans a choice.

Greed human want. Human motivation to do wrong....chosen.

Pyramid science irradiated atmosphere. Chemical brain changed.

Everyone became the choice nasty evil minded.

Fact of human history.

Reason for the group brothers hierarchy.

Rich not because it is natural. From all the years of human abused.

As a human the warning. You too are just humans. Born by human sex. Who seem to have forgotten basic human advice for life existence.

Mindmaster said:

@Skwim, my understanding is that this 616 is sourced from only one document. While it is true that that is the number written on that document, there are no other documents that confirm it. That's to say, it is an outlier... It is more likely to be transcription error than anything else. (Occam's razor..)

Click to expand...

The 616 source is the oldest source. The current 666 would be later than the original source, and backed by the editing church, whose Nicene Council was convened through the office of the Roman Emperor Constantine, whose number of his name is 616, and who gave original legitimacy to the Roman empires official church, the Catholic church, which was declared by the following Roman emperor Theodosius in 380 AD. The leader of the Protestant church, Luther, called the Catholic church, the whore of Babylon, who would sit on the beast/Rome (Revelation 17:3). The Roman empire, in which we are in the era of the 8th head of the beast of Revelation 17, is the iron legs and the feet of iron and clay that reigns during the end of the age, when it and all the other kingdoms will be crushed (Daniel 2:45). The Catholic church will be glad to cast shadows on the crazy Nero as representing 666/616, which is nonsense. Nero deceived no one, and apparently killed the false prophet (Revelation 16:13) Paul for political reasons.

Tumah said:

How do they know that the earliest manuscript they found has the correct version of the number? Maybe that one is mistaken and there's an even earlier one, yet to be found, with 666?

Click to expand...

It makes little difference to the wicked, for they will not understand (Daniel 12:10) regardless. Which is to say, the "wicked", those on the way to "destruction", are among the "many" (Matthew 7:13). To the shepherds of Israel, well they are looking at judgment and destruction (Ezekiel 34:1-16). They should have fed and healed the sheep instead of eaten of their fat.

I studied it in detail as well as other things of Kabbalah and other things and I came to the conclusion that the story is divided into verses and numbers and with the key you can purify what the prophets said

as for the number really the number is 666 and it is a number (and the head was cut off) not literally in the parable

Isaiah 9:14 The old man and the noble are the head, and the prophet teaching the deception is the tail.

and this is the true interpretation of John was not literally cut off by the head only of parables and was in prison

and that name is simply Old Man and Head

Revelation 19:12 His eyes are a flame of fire, and on his head are many crowns; his name is written and no one knows it but himself.

even his full name is there

simply (Zion is the same as john)

Zion and four and twenty old men along with 4 creatures

Revelation 19: 4 Then the twenty-four elders and the four beasts fell on their knees; And they worshiped before God that sat on the throne, and said, Amen, Hallelujah.

and simply

Revelation 14: 1 And I saw, and behold, the Lamb stood upon the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his name written in his forehead, and his Father's name.

there are simply two gematriies one is 144 second 666 without wrong number

666 + 20 and 4 old men and 4 bistas or people
666 + 20x4 +4

666 + 84 beast with seven heads and ten horns (10/2) 750

Zion Altma in English Gematria equals: 666:z156i54o90n840a6l72t120m78a6

A 6 ...

Zion Altman (Old Man Translation) (It Happened to Me That Sea of Time to Find It) A prophecy speaks of John that he is a beast that had one head wounded (6 and one head was wounded)