Are tests and difficulties sent by God?

Trailblazer · Jan 28, 2021

Last year was the year from hell, not because of Covid-19 but because we lost five of our cats to kidney and heart disease. I was worried about one of our two older cats we have left so we took her to the vet a few weeks ago and did the blood work to determine that she is in early stage kidney disease but that was a relief because we caught it early and are treating it with fluids and kidney supplements. I am not that worried right now because one of our other cats that was in that stage lived for five years after his diagnosis. I do not expect her to live that long and I will accept whatever happens but at least she is doing okay now. We now have only eight cats and they are all stable so I have been starting to recover from all the losses we had last year.

Another huge stress is the rental houses and they are a royal pain. One of the houses has a tenant who owes me $8600 and I cannot evict him because of the eviction moratorium but even if the moratorium is lifted at the end of March and we can legally evict him, we would have to go to court to get a judgment against him and we would probably not get any money from him because he has no job (he is self-employed) and he has no assets. The LegalShield attorney suggested that I send him an Unpaid Rent Repayment Plan Worksheet to fill out stating what he would be able to pay me on installments. I would be satisfied if he would just make a good faith effort and make small payments, but I do not even know if he will respond to me because he ignored my last e-mail.

I was just about to send that e-mail when I got an e-mail from the tenant in the other rental house giving me a 30 day notice that they are moving at the end of February.

This came right out of the blue so I am in a state of shock. They have been living in that house for 16 months and they always paid the rent on time and never complained. I only heard from them a few months ago when they asked me if I would consider selling the house to them and then I heard from them recently because they said there was a rodent problem. As soon as they told me I immediately found a pest control company to go over for an inspection but I was not satisfied with their proposal so I called another company to do an inspection for comparative purposes. The second company has been trying to contact the tenant for two weeks to set up an appointment but the tenant never responded to his text messages. I kept wondering why and now I know why. How stupid I feel now, as I should have known this was coming.

My PTSD has been triggered because the 30 day notice came as a complete shock. And I am still in shock, a shock I am worried might turn into depression. That rental house has been nothing but problems ever since we moved out in 2009, but we finally got all the repairs that needed to be done and a new roof and new carpet and new appliances, new window coverings, septic pumped, etc., so I at least I do not think there is anything major that needs to be done. Moreover, that house has never been difficult to rent, it is in the country on 3.5 acres on the river close to town, so I always have more applicants than I can handle, but all I needed was this headache, just when I was getting close to my annual four week vacation which I take in February.

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In the Baha’i Faith they call these “tests and difficulties” and most Baha’is believe they are sent by God, but I am not so sure, maybe they are just part of life. According to my religion these tests are supposed to make me stronger, more spiritual, and as such I am supposed to be thankful to God for these tests.

But how many more tests from God am I going to get before I finally cannot take it anymore? Yes, I will get through it just like I always do, rent that house and hope the tenants stay a while and pay the rent. The only other choice we have is to sell the house, but I do not think that is prudent because then I would have to do something with the money and I would not have the rental income. So I consider that the coward’s way out.

Right now what I am most concerned about is getting through this without getting depressed because I am prone to depression. I do not feel like I have a choice because I think it is just my fate that I go through this again. That is how I feel even though I do not know if that is actually the case. I feel like when the time is right to sell it I will know.

Has anyone had ever had tests and difficulties in their life and wondered why? Do you think these tests are sent by God? If so, should be thank God for them because they make us stronger? I am not so sure they make everyone stronger, as some people collapse under the weight of tests and some people run away from them and some people fall prey to addictions.

Sorry this is so long but Trailblazer is in trouble again.

Scott C. · Jan 28, 2021

Trailblazer said:
Last year was the year from hell...

From my point of view, the Lord placed us in this environment where are are tried, no doubt. Tough times can come when we do something bad, and get bad results. They come when we make innocent mistakes that bring hardship. They come when others do bad things that hurt us and bring us difficulties. They come when others make innocent mistakes that bring us trials. Trials also come for none of those reasons, but just as the result of living in a risky world where there is disease, accidents and natural hardships. I don't know how to tell if God proactively gives us a specific trial. But God could in all cases intervene to prevent the hardship. God knowlingly places us on this earth with love, where he knows we will be tried and where we can grow. When tough times come, regardless of the source, we should be as positive and faithful as possible. We should ask oursleves what does God wants me to do and what does he want me to learn. How can this trial make me stronger and a better person? If we brought the situation on ourselves, of course we should be introspective and learn to be more wise.

EDIT: My response was sort of matter of fact, here's what I believe is the purpose of life. But I am really sorry about your situations and hope you get any and all love and support you need.

JustGeorge · Jan 28, 2021

I'm sorry you're struggling, @Trailblazer .

I know our religious outlooks are entirely different, so my input may not be helpful on this particular topic. I don't believe in tests being sent by God, I believe we attract experiences based on our karma. I know Baha'is believe differently. I hope you're able to find an answer that makes sense to you, and is overall helpful rather than depressing.

As to the tenants, I wouldn't let it get to you. It likely isn't anything you did wrong. They may be buying a house as opposed to renting. I suspect this might be the case, as they previously asked if you'd be willing to sell at some point. My family did the same thing with our old landlord. He said he wasn't willing to sell, so when we had enough credit to get a loan, we moved out and bought our own home. It wasn't personal. I liked the landlord, and we liked the house(even though we outgrew it). It was just a whole lot more cost effective for us to buy rather than rent.

Another possibility is they wanted a new location. Perhaps to be closer to a friend or family member, or perhaps it benefits their job.

Like you said, you know you will be able to rent it again. Try to focus on one thing at a time, and don't let thoughts of the future consume you, if you can help it. None of us know what's there, nor can we avoid it. Best be present in the now, so you can set yourself up for the best future.

Dawnofhope · Jan 28, 2021

Sorry to hear about all that. I believe there are tests and difficulties that inevitably arise from being human, owning cats and being a landlord. Some of us because of our upbringing will inherently struggle with these difficulties more than others. For some a series of difficulties will not be a big deal whereas for others with be completely overwhelming. I think we need to do the best we can each day and that may mean graciously accepting our shortcomings. Some tests are from God but most tests are just natural consequences of being a human living in a complex world.

SomeRandom · Jan 29, 2021

Sorry to hear this @Trailblazer

I have always thought that people thanking god for difficulties were just using a common coping mechanism. It turns the troubles life inevitably brings into steps that enhance us or gives a sense of accomplishment. That we have had a victory over all life has thrown at us. That can be reassuring, empowering even. Though it can cause an existential crisis or even cause our beliefs to falter. It really depends on ones faith, the outlook that faith offers and whether or not a person’s threshold has been broken.

Trailblazer · Jan 29, 2021

JustGeorge said:
I'm sorry you're struggling, @Trailblazer .

I know our religious outlooks are entirely different, so my input may not be helpful on this particular topic. I don't believe in tests being sent by God, I believe we attract experiences based on our karma. I know Baha'is believe differently. I hope you're able to find an answer that makes sense to you, and is overall helpful rather than depressing.

As to the tenants, I wouldn't let it get to you. It likely isn't anything you did wrong. They may be buying a house as opposed to renting. I suspect this might be the case, as they previously asked if you'd be willing to sell at some point. My family did the same thing with our old landlord. He said he wasn't willing to sell, so when we had enough credit to get a loan, we moved out and bought our own home. It wasn't personal. I liked the landlord, and we liked the house(even though we outgrew it). It was just a whole lot more cost effective for us to buy rather than rent.

Another possibility is they wanted a new location. Perhaps to be closer to a friend or family member, or perhaps it benefits their job.

Like you said, you know you will be able to rent it again. Try to focus on one thing at a time, and don't let thoughts of the future consume you, if you can help it. None of us know what's there, nor can we avoid it. Best be present in the now, so you can set yourself up for the best future.

Thanks for your support and kindness.

I do not believe that tests are always due to karma although some of them might be if a person has bad karma since they hurt other people. I don't think what has happened with the cats and the rental houses has been my fault as I do not know what I could have done differently to prevent it by making different free will choices. That is why I said I think it is just fate, but that does not mean that God deliberately caused these things to happen in order to test me to see if I would pass or fail. I see that idea as turning God into a person and I consider it superstitious.

Many years ago older brother who is a Baha'i told me that God was killing my cats to teach me a lesson. I believed him because I did not know the Baha'i Writings very well at that time and I hated God for all those years. Finally I met some other Baha'is on a forum who helped me by explaining what the Baha'i Faith really teaches but it took years before I stopped hating God Unfortunately, there are still Baha'is who insist that all tests are sent by God for our own benefit, but I have learned to set a boundary between myself and them. These people take a few sentences that are in the Baha'i Writings and interpret them literally, that is cherry picking.

I agree with what Scott C said" "the Lord placed us in this environment where are are tried, no doubt. Tough times can come when we do something bad, and get bad results. They come when we make innocent mistakes that bring hardship. They come when others do bad things that hurt us and bring us difficulties. They come when others make innocent mistakes that bring us trials. Trials also come for none of those reasons, but just as the result of living in a risky world where there is disease, accidents and natural hardships. I don't know how to tell if God proactively gives us a specific trial. But God could in all cases intervene to prevent the hardship. God knowlingly places us on this earth with love, where he knows we will be tried and where we can grow."

You are right, those tenants probably found a house to purchase, as they had been living in a house they owned before they rented our house. I know we were lucky to have them as long as we did because it has been years since we had tenants that good, and such tenants have been rare. So I know I should be grateful that they stayed that long. It is just that it was a shock and caught me off guard.

I was thinking after I wrote the OP that one reason I was so shocked when I got the 30 day notice is because I try so hard to live in the day and not think about what is going to happen, so I put any possibilities of them vacating out of my mind. I did the same thing with the cats when they were sick. It is a survival mechanism I have had to use to protect myself from the PTSD and depression, I never think of the past or the future..

I know I said the house is easy to rent, and it is, but the problem is that the house is rustic, and many people do not know the definition of the word rustic,

so they have expectations of a quaint country cottage. Even after I make it perfectly clear how rustic it is in my Craigslist ad some people insult me after they drive by. I don't need this because I am an honest person! I say in my ad that if you do not want a rustic country house you need not apply. The other thing is that my rent is much lower than any comparable homes, not that there are very many, or even one. One bedrooms apartments rent for as much as I have been renting it for, and it has three bedrooms and 1.75 baths and a huge barn and 3.5 acres on the river . If it was a stylish Better Homes & Gardens type house and had all that, I would be asking a lot more rent. After I place my ad I will post a photo of the house so you can see what I mean by rustic. I only have a photo of the exterior.

Trailblazer · Jan 29, 2021

adrian009 said:
Sorry to hear about all that. I believe there are tests and difficulties that inevitably arise from being human, owning cats and being a landlord. Some of us because of our upbringing will inherently struggle with these difficulties more than others.

Yes, I have realized that is true, I mean most people do not have eight cats and we had many more before we lost so many. Most people would not want the stress and expense and work of caring for that many cats. The same thing pertains to having three houses. Most people only have one house and they tell me they would never want the stress of owing rentals.

The question I ask myself is if it is really a free will choice I am making or is it just my fate. I think it is a mixture of the two, but I think much of it is fated. I mean I cannot really choose to change my situation even if I want to. It is as if God is guiding what I do and I just make choices as I go along. It is a strange feeling.

Spirit of Light · Jan 29, 2021

Trailblazer said:
Last year was the year from hell, not because of Covid-19 but because we lost five of our cats to kidney and heart disease. I was worried about one of our two older cats we have left so we took her to the vet a few weeks ago and did the blood work to determine that she is in early stage kidney disease but that was a relief because we caught it early and are treating it with fluids and kidney supplements. I am not that worried right now because one of our other cats that was in that stage lived for five years after his diagnosis. I do not expect her to live that long and I will accept whatever happens but at least she is doing okay now. We now have only eight cats and they are all stable so I have been starting to recover from all the losses we had last year.

Another huge stress is the rental houses and they are a royal pain. One of the houses has a tenant who owes me $8600 and I cannot evict him because of the eviction moratorium but even if the moratorium is lifted at the end of March and we can legally evict him, we would have to go to court to get a judgment against him and we would probably not get any money from him because he has no job (he is self-employed) and he has no assets. The LegalShield attorney suggested that I send him an Unpaid Rent Repayment Plan Worksheet to fill out stating what he would be able to pay me on installments. I would be satisfied if he would just make a good faith effort and make small payments, but I do not even know if he will respond to me because he ignored my last e-mail.

I was just about to send that e-mail when I got an e-mail from the tenant in the other rental house giving me a 30 day notice that they are moving at the end of February. This came right out of the blue so I am in a state of shock. They have been living in that house for 16 months and they always paid the rent on time and never complained. I only heard from them a few months ago when they asked me if I would consider selling the house to them and then I heard from them recently because they said there was a rodent problem. As soon as they told me I immediately found a pest control company to go over for an inspection but I was not satisfied with their proposal so I called another company to do an inspection for comparative purposes. The second company has been trying to contact the tenant for two weeks to set up an appointment but the tenant never responded to his text messages. I kept wondering why and now I know why. How stupid I feel now, as I should have known this was coming.

My PTSD has been triggered because the 30 day notice came as a complete shock. And I am still in shock, a shock I am worried might turn into depression. That rental house has been nothing but problems ever since we moved out in 2009, but we finally got all the repairs that needed to be done and a new roof and new carpet and new appliances, new window coverings, septic pumped, etc., so I at least I do not think there is anything major that needs to be done. Moreover, that house has never been difficult to rent, it is in the country on 3.5 acres on the river close to town, so I always have more applicants than I can handle, but all I needed was this headache, just when I was getting close to my annual four week vacation which I take in February.

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In the Baha’i Faith they call these “tests and difficulties” and most Baha’is believe they are sent by God, but I am not so sure, maybe they are just part of life. According to my religion these tests are supposed to make me stronger, more spiritual, and as such I am supposed to be thankful to God for these tests. But how many more tests from God am I going to get before I finally cannot take it anymore? Yes, I will get through it just like I always do, rent that house and hope the tenants stay a while and pay the rent. The only other choice we have is to sell the house, but I do not think that is prudent because then I would have to do something with the money and I would not have the rental income. So I consider that the coward’s way out.

Right now what I am most concerned about is getting through this without getting depressed because I am prone to depression. I do not feel like I have a choice because I think it is just my fate that I go through this again. That is how I feel even though I do not know if that is actually the case. I feel like when the time is right to sell it I will know.

Has anyone had ever had tests and difficulties in their life and wondered why? Do you think these tests are sent by God? If so, should be thank God for them because they make us stronger? I am not so sure they make everyone stronger, as some people collapse under the weight of tests and some people run away from them and some people fall prey to addictions.

Sorry this is so long but Trailblazer is in trouble again.

Sorry to hear about all the trouble you going through @Trailblazer.

To answer your question. Yes i go through some kind of test every day in my life.
Sometimes it's money problem, Sometimes it's a person harassing me, or it can be sickness. But Even i get frustrated or angry from time to time. I do know God watching over me and dont give me tests that are to difficult. Life is a test in it self

1213 · Jan 29, 2021

Trailblazer said:
...Has anyone had ever had tests and difficulties in their life and wondered why? Do you think these tests are sent by God? If so, should be thank God for them because they make us stronger? ...

One thing I know is this:

Let no man say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God," for God can't be tempted by evil, and he himself tempts no one.
James 1:13

That is why I don’t think God tests people.

If God allows difficulties, I believe one reason is that person has rejected Him and done wrongly. That is why I would pray Him and say “sorry, if I have done something wrongly, please help me see what is wrong and help me to reject evil way, if so”. I don’t think all unpleasant things are necessarily punishments, but it may be so in some cases. But, in many cases it may just be that this world is set to be a lesson, like Matrix, things don’t always go nicely and that way we learn what good and evil means. All people and animals die in this “life” and that is just how this is set. Nothing of this world is meant to last forever. That is how it is, and I think we should be thankful for what we got and had in this experience. I believe there is eternal life for righteous after this and that is why I don’t see death of a body as a problem. all though it can be really sad.

Scott C. · Jan 29, 2021

JustGeorge said:
I don't believe in tests being sent by God, I believe we attract experiences based on our karma.

Hi, I have some honest curiosity about karma. If a person does something morally wrong, I assume that results in "bad" karma. How do you differentiate between what karma is the result of good or bad behavior? For example, if you get sick or lose your job, might that actually be good for you (in the larger cosmic scheme of things) and the result of good choices? On the other hand if something which appears good happens, such as striking it rich, might that be bad for you and the result of bad choices? Are you supposed to learn to be better based on your karma? If so, how can you tell what karma is good or bad and how you should adjust your life to have better karma? Or do my questions reveal total ignorance of the subject?

Trailblazer · Jan 29, 2021

1213 said:
One thing I know is this:
Let no man say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God," for God can't be tempted by evil, and he himself tempts no one.
James 1:13

That is why I don’t think God tests people.

If God allows difficulties, I believe one reason is that person has rejected Him and done wrongly. That is why I would pray Him and say “sorry, if I have done something wrongly, please help me see what is wrong and help me to reject evil way, if so”.

I do not believe that is necessarily true, because that would mean that everyone who has difficulties has rejected God and done wrongly, and such is not the case. Life just happens and much of it is fated by God and we cannot know the reason why everything happens the way it does.

1213 said:
I don’t think all unpleasant things are necessarily punishments, but it may be so in some cases. But, in many cases it may just be that this world is set to be a lesson, like Matrix, things don’t always go nicely and that way we learn what good and evil means. All people and animals die in this “life” and that is just how this is set. Nothing of this world is meant to last forever. That is how it is, and I think we should be thankful for what we got and had in this experience. I believe there is eternal life for righteous after this and that is why I don’t see death of a body as a problem. all though it can be really sad.

I do not believe that God punishes us directly; I think that we punish ourselves if we have wrong actions, so any punishments are the consequences of our own actions.

I agree that life in this world is intended to be a lesson, so we can learn good and evil and grow spiritually. Death is part of life as sad as it is but death of the body is not the end of life, it is just the end of life in this world, signaling the continuation of life in the spiritual world.

JustGeorge · Jan 29, 2021

Trailblazer said:
Thanks for your support and kindness.

Many years ago older brother who is a Baha'i told me that God was killing my cats to teach me a lesson. I believed him because I did not know the Baha'i Writings very well at that time and I hated God for all those years. Finally I met some other Baha'is on a forum who helped me by explaining what the Baha'i Faith really teaches but it took years before I stopped hating God Unfortunately, there are still Baha'is who insist that all tests are sent by God for our own benefit, but I have learned to set a boundary between myself and them. These people take a few sentences that are in the Baha'i Writings and interpret them literally, that is cherry picking.

That's awful! To think God would kill his own creatures to punish another would seem pretty unpalatable. I'm sorry you had to experience that.

Mostly, when my cats die(I haven't had any die in years, thankfully, but the crowd is aging. It will happen eventually.) I usually do not view it as anything having to do with me. Yes, it affects me, but ultimately, it is part of the cat's path. This is a great hurdle for me, because in my younger years, my ex did tell me it was my fault. It wasn't until I got out of that toxic environment that I could step back and say "hey, that cat was 15 years old. These things happen. I didn't make her age." Though it is always heart wrenching when I lose a feline friend, I know I couldn't do anything about it. It was their time, and that was not predestined by me, as much as I might like it to be.

Trailblazer said:
You are right, those tenants probably found a house to purchase, as they had been living in a house they owned before they rented our house. I know we were lucky to have them as long as we did because it has been years since we had tenants that good, and such tenants have been rare. So I know I should be grateful that they stayed that long. It is just that it was a shock and caught me off guard.

I was thinking after I wrote the OP that one reason I was so shocked when I got the 30 day notice is because I try so hard to live in the day and not think about what is going to happen, so I put any possibilities of them vacating out of my mind. I did the same thing with the cats when they were sick. It is a survival mechanism I have had to use to protect myself from the PTSD and depression, I never think of the past or the future..

I know I said the house is easy to rent, and it is, but the problem is that the house is rustic, and many people do not know the definition of the word rustic, so they have expectations of a quaint country cottage. Even after I make it perfectly clear how rustic it is in my Craigslist ad some people insult me after they drive by. I don't need this because I am an honest person! I say in my ad that if you do not want a rustic country house you need not apply. The other thing is that my rent is much lower than any comparable homes, not that there are very many, or even one. One bedrooms apartments rent for as much as I have been renting it for, and it has three bedrooms and 1.75 baths and a huge barn and 3.5 acres on the river . If it was a stylish Better Homes & Gardens type house and had all that, I would be asking a lot more rent. After I place my ad I will post a photo of the house so you can see what I mean by rustic. I only have a photo of the exterior.

That's very rude, to insult someone just because you don't like the house advertised. I don't know much about being a landlord, but I wouldn't want to rent to people who were that free with their insults, anyways. They'd probably be demanding and difficult tenants. They probably did you a favor by just driving off.

I've seen a picture of the house before, and I think its cute.

JustGeorge · Jan 29, 2021

Scott C. said:
Hi, I have some honest curiosity about karma. If a person does something morally wrong, I assume that results in "bad" karma. How do you differentiate between what karma is the result of good or bad behavior? For example, if you get sick or lose your job, might that actually be good for you (in the larger cosmic scheme of things) and the result of good choices? On the other hand if something which appears good happens, such as striking it rich, might that be bad for you and the result of bad choices? Are you supposed to learn to be better based on your karma? If so, how can you tell what karma is good or bad and how you should adjust your life to have better karma? Or do my questions reveal total ignorance of the subject?

Thanks for asking, @Scott C. ! I will try to explain the best I can.

Karma itself isn't good or bad. It in itself is neutral, but we tend to attract events/people/situations that reflect our inner being(whether that's what's currently reflected, or has been reflected at other periods of time). The idea of good and bad kind of go out the window.

If I use the example of striking it rich, it may simply mean that I've attracted wealth by my past karmas. We will think of wealth as being neutral here. Money can hurt or harm, as you know. Well, now what do I do with it? This will create more karma. If I choose to use my money to buy drugs, or live a difficult lifestyle, I will likely gain negative experiences. It isn't that anyone is punishing me, I made this choice on my own. I made my bed, I'll lie in it.

What's interesting in many folks who believe in karma don't so much seek to 'improve' it, they seek to get rid of it! It is said an action done in non attachment reaps no karma. Maybe I have to do something that feels very negative, but has to be done. If I can do it in a spirit of non attachment, I will not add to my karmas at all. The same goes for a good action. Lets say I give all my money up to a charity. If I do this in a spirit of non attachment, I receive no karma. If I simmer with joy inside on it, I will receive karma(though of a more positive nature).

Why wouldn't anyone want the good karmas associated with such an act? Many who adhere to the idea of karma want to be freed from all karma, so they can be free of the cycle of rebirths.

Hope I didn't botch that explanation up too bad! I tried to explain karmic cycles yesterday to a friend, and confused him so much he said "forget it, I'll just buy a book".

Trailblazer · Jan 29, 2021

JustGeorge said:
I've seen a picture of the house before, and I think its cute.

I never posted a picture of the house I am referring to on this forum. I posted some photos of our other rental/vacation house on the ocean on another thread, but that house is a lot different. much larger and not rustic. We could live in any one of these three houses, so I asked my husband which one he would want to live in. As usual he was evasive

but I finally got him to admit he would prefer to live in the house we are living in now, although if I decided to move to one of the other houses he would probably not stop me. One reason I would not want to go back to the old house is because it has some bad memories.

The rental/vacation house on the ocean is about two and a half hours from here, in a town of about 632 people, not near any services or grocery stores and about 45 minutes from the nearest hospital, so one reason my husband would not want to live there because he has bad asthma and he is afraid of being so far from medical services.

The other rental house is only about 10 miles from here and it was our first house that we lived in for 17 years. One reason my husband would not want to live there again is because it has no central heat, only a wood stove. I would not like going back to that setup again either. When I say rustic I mean rustic. The irony is that we moved from that house and bought the bigger house we now live in because we had 19 cats at that time, and that house was much too small, but now we only have 8 cats so this house is much too large!

Below is a photo of the old rustic house. One big problem it has that cannot be seen in the photo is that there is an old run down cottage right next to the house and it is ugly. but it was built in the 1880s and people keep saying we should renovate it rather than tear it down. I don't know what to do about it so I have left it standing.

Truthseeker · Jan 29, 2021

Trailblazer said:
I am not so sure they make everyone stronger, as some people collapse under the weight of tests and some people run away from them and some people fall prey to addictions.

No, they don't make everyone stronger. You know how I think about that. We talked about that recently in an Email.

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