Why do God/s "hide" from disbelievers?

Audie · Jan 27, 2021

Quintessence said:
The gods aren't "undetectable beings", though... not most of them, anyway. We've all got shortcomings and inabilities - that can include the inability to classify gods as "real" and the inability to understand that gods are not necessarily "undetectable beings" for example. We've all got boxes we think inside that limit how we perceive the world. There's no shame in it; it's an inevitable human condition. The thesis I'm trying to get across is: it's not that the gods "hide" but that our assumptions about the world blind us to certain things.

Look look this dog turd is god. Anyone can
detect it. You just have to think outside
of you box , but no shame ifn you lack the ability, are blinded by assumptions. God wont care.

Is that where insbility really comes in?

No its the inability to understand that people concoct so many meanings for "god " any
meaning for the word it dissolves into a fog of equivocation.

I understand that just fine. Do you?

Audie · Jan 27, 2021

sun rise said:
To me the spiritual path is hide & seek. He hides in our hearts and we seek Him there. When we 'find' Him, we become Him.

How do you know that

Heyo · Jan 27, 2021

Conscious thoughts said:
Why does it seems like God or Gods hide from disbelievers but atleast in some way are recognised by or shown to believers?

Any thoughts?

Why Can't Some People See Magic Eye Pictures?

Only that being able to see magic eye stereo images has much more real world applications than the ability to see gods or ghosts.

Vinayaka · Jan 27, 2021

sun rise said:
To me the spiritual path is hide & seek. He hides in our hearts and we seek Him there. When we 'find' Him, we become Him.

To me, because it's not an anthropomorphic God, He/She just is. There is no hiding anywhere, as He/She permeates all of His/Her own creation. But yes, beliefs differ. Thank goodness for that. For atheists, the concept itself is nonexistent, so the question makes no sense whatsoever. How can a non-existent entity hide? That's like looking for oranges in your house when there are no oranges.

37818 · Jan 27, 2021

Conscious thoughts said:
Why does it seems like God or Gods hide from disbelievers but atleast in some way are recognised by or shown to believers?

Any thoughts?

Two things to note.
God is infinite and omnipresent. In God being omnipresent God is invisible.

ChristineM · Jan 27, 2021

Thief said:
and of course....there is the Prime Directive

Seems the prime directive is only a guideline

Audie · Jan 27, 2021

Heyo said:
Why Can't Some People See Magic Eye Pictures?

Only that being able to see magic eye stereo images has much more real world applications than the ability to see gods or ghosts.

Belief in the magic ability to see
things that are not there has had a
very negative impact.

Audie · Jan 27, 2021

37818 said:
Two things to note.
God is infinite and omnipresent. In God being omnipresent God is invisible.

Noted are facts not In evidence being presented as truth.

Audie · Jan 27, 2021

Vinayaka said:
To me, because it's not an anthropomorphic God, He/She just is. There is no hiding anywhere, as He/She permeates all of His/Her own creation. But yes, beliefs differ. Thank goodness for that. For atheists, the concept itself is nonexistent, so the question makes no sense whatsoever. How can a non-existent entity hide? That's like looking for oranges in your house when there are no oranges.

Come now, don't make up things about
people you don't understand.

The concept is child's play to understand.

What theos lack the ability to understand
is that its child's play to take it seriously.

37818 · Jan 27, 2021

Audie said:
Noted are facts not In evidence being presented as truth.

Do you acknowledge truth to be absolute?
How do you recognize a truth?

sun rise · Jan 27, 2021

Audie said:
How do you know that

It's certainly not scientific proof.

Part of my answer is that there are figures all over the world from various religious traditions who have agreed on the point. For example, Kabir who wrote:

Does Khuda live in the mosque?
Then who who lives everywhere?
Is Ram in idols and holy ground?
Have you looked and found him there?
Hari in the East, Allah in the West -
So you like to dream.
Search in the heart, in the heart alone:
There live Ram and Karim.

Subjectively I experience that as true.

Audie · Jan 27, 2021

37818 said:
Do you acknowledge truth to be absolute?
How do you recognize a truth?

Words like "truth" and "absolute"
are ideals and thus infinitely elusive.
Put them together and you just
have nonsense.

I don't concern myself with such things.

"The truth" in a daily sort of sense
can be found in math, and in other
information that is as accurate as one
can make it.

My objection to what you said-
and to which you did not respond but rather,
tried to turn it back on me- was in
your flat assertion of facts not in evidence.

How does doing that seem reasonable,
honest and true, to you?

Heyo · Jan 27, 2021

Vinayaka said:
To me, because it's not an anthropomorphic God, He/She just is. There is no hiding anywhere, as He/She permeates all of His/Her own creation. But yes, beliefs differ. Thank goodness for that. For atheists, the concept itself is nonexistent, so the question makes no sense whatsoever. How can a non-existent entity hide? That's like looking for oranges in your house when there are no oranges.

37818 · Jan 27, 2021

Audie said:
How does doing that seem reasonable,
honest and true, to you?

Everyone has some notion what the trem "God":means. No one believes what what one does not think is true. There are in fact things you do believe.
Because of personal experience.
Because some or many things others believe which you find you can agree with.
Because you believe some things you conclude logicly.

I cannot guess to know.

George-ananda · Jan 27, 2021

Conscious thoughts said:
Why does it seems like God or Gods hide from disbelievers but atleast in some way are recognised by or shown to believers?

Any thoughts?

If they come in the physical they get criticized (or even crucified)!

Samael_Khan · Jan 27, 2021

Conscious thoughts said:
Why does it seems like God or Gods hide from disbelievers but atleast in some way are recognised by or shown to believers?

Any thoughts?

Depends on the religion I think.

The argument for god hiding from believers only bothers me when it comes from people who believe that non believers should be punished. Ironically I have spoken to someone recently who says that everybody knows god to be true but denies him but then in another breath says that god only reveals himself to those he wishes as a result of a challenge I made. People tend to backtrack to in this manner when they are presented with the logical argument against everybody knowing that god exists.

People use the argument in your OP because they struggle to accept the fact that their religious beliefs are just beliefs and not facts. It is the result of cognitive dissonance IMO. Cults tend to use this reasoning a lot, firstly to make believers feel like the special chosen few so that the group is attached to their ego and identity, and also as a tool to dismiss any arguments against their cult beliefs by implying that opposers are blind to the truth. It is a very affective mind control tool.

(My definition of cults is based off the psychological manipulation model created by cult experts such as Steve Hassan.)

The Hammer · Jan 27, 2021

Nakosis said:
God is not hiding from you?
What does God look like?

Like this:

37818 · Jan 27, 2021

The Hammer said:
Like this:

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1.618 . . . ?

The Hammer · Jan 27, 2021

37818 said:
1.618 . . . ?

Square root of Pi?

Nakosis · Jan 27, 2021

The Hammer said:
Like this:

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I thought Druids had a number of gods/entities that was part of their relationship with nature.

Do they all look like this or is this one specific god?

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