Truth: either God exists or He don't.

Israel Khan said:

How exactly do you know these things as facts?

I agree. I think that you are appealing to someone elses imagination. Your beliefs do not originate with you.

You know? How so? Anyway, if he doesn't reveal this truth to those he wants to, which means that there is no objective standard that we can test whether God exists, then his existence isnt a fact.

I don't care about what a book says in the context of our conversation. You said that we can look to creation and obviously see that it was designed and this is proof of your god. My point is that I can just as well come to the conclusion that multiple gods exist based off the "design" argument or some other alternative.

Irrelevent to the point.

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Pilgrim Soldier said:

Nobody can prove anything to anyone. I've never heard of a single case in human history where someone has proven something to someone else.
IU will give my hose to anyone who can prove anything to me. In order to prove something to someone, both parties must believe the same thing before hand, so in that case they never actually proved anything at all.

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Pilgrim Soldier said:

I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, because He said "I am the truth" so the truth is a person. It's not an idea or political movement. Jesus said He enters people and abides in them, so those people have the truth abiding in them.

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Pilgrim Soldier said:

I don't have any authority to command God to reveal Himself to you, all I can do is pray for you but the choice is still His.

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Pilgrim Soldier said:

You're absolutely right, God never holds anyone accountable or guilty for their nature. The only reason God punishes people with eternal hell fire is because of their sin.

I'm not sure why everyone who accuses God of unfairness, always conveniently ignored the gigantic elephant in the room. They always ignore the fact that the wicked sinner spent his life in utter sinful rebellion and defiance before God.

God never punishes anyone, because they were born with a nature bent towards sin and rebellion.

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Pilgrim Soldier said:

I would like to avoid a long and drawn out, evolution v creation debate here. I found most people are not interested in facts, they are more interested in promoting their own beliefs. So I don't think a long debate will change anyone's mind.

I would just like you to consider the mathematical probability of your of creation by spontaneous natural processes.
I saw this program which deals with this very subject, it lays out the various possibilities and then they calculate their mathematical probabilities. I don't expect you to watch it but I think it would be useful to know these equations, as they may be helpful for any future discussions on the topic.

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Pilgrim Soldier said:

I can only proclaim what I know for a fact, i know the most high God because He has revealed Himself to me so I don't have the problem of doubt or the fear of the unknown.

I'm not appealing to my imagination when I proclaim that there is only One True Creator of all things most high God".

I don't know why He doesn't reveal the truth about Himself to everyone, but I know that He could if He wanted to but it's obvious He doesn't want to.

God said, all those other gods you mentioned above are Demons. Satan is the most powerful creature in the universe, but He can't do anything without God's permission, same goes for all the Demons.

God has described Himself as a jealous God, who wants all the glory and worship for Himself so He destroys all the other gods.

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Wandering Monk said:

I grew up on that nonsense, then I started looking at actual data. Pick virtually any metric and you will see that things have gotten better for humanity over the last several centuries.

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stvdv said:

Bhakti is the Sanskrit term for "Path of Devotion". Jnana is the Sanskrit term for "Path of Wisdom". Seva is the Sanskrit term for "Path of Service"

In this way, all people have a chance to work towards liberation, Self Realization, Happiness (or whatever they call their goal)

One path is not higher than the other, just different ways, so that each person can find a way that fits him best

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capumetu said:

That is nice sir, stay tuned, you haven't seen anything yet.

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Israel Khan said:

That is a very weird outlook. If someone asks me to prove that I have a metal ruler, I take it out of my bag and show them, which results in them knowing that I have one. This has happened many times before. So I don't know what you are talking about.

So you believe that someone is the truth just because they said so?

Well, then it is pointless for you to say that God is true to me isn't it?

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Pilgrim Soldier said:

I still have the final say, whether that steel ruler is real or just an illusion so you still can't prove it's real if I don't accept what you claim it to be.

Jesus is not someone, He is all in all. He created the universe and every speck of dust in it so that gives Him special privileges and special credibility. You can think of it as diplomatic immunity.

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Israel Khan said:

I think you meant to take the comma out of the last sentence otherwise you would be contradicting yourself?

My point is that the sin results from their nature. There are sins done because of someones nature, such as alcohol addiction, and then there is sins which are choices, such as murder. God can't hold people accountable for the former sin but can hold people accountable for the latter sin.

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Pilgrim Soldier said:

Drunkenness or "alcohol addiction" as you call it is a grievous sin. Children don't drink alcohol, so the drunkard made a decision to rebel against God and abuse alcohol at some point in his life when he was mature enough to deliberately sin against God.
God hates drug and alcohol abuse, as these substances are used in witchcraft. They are used to open the door to Demons.
All sins deserve God's wrath and punishment, it doesn't matter a person murders someone in the heat of the moment or if they plan it for months, they are still murderers and they must be punished as murderers.

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Polymath257 said:

Yet another video that ignores the reason we 'fit' into the ecosystem of Earth: we evolved here. So of course we are well adapted to being here.

But, there are also a number of statements in that video that are simply false. For example, life could certainly exist if the levels of oxygen or nitrogen were a bit different: in fact, they were different *on Earth* in the past and life did quite well.

The video makes a lot of claims that life could not exist if things were slightly different. But we know things *were* different in the past and yet life did quite well. For example, the length of the day has been changing over geological time. The distance to the moon has gradually been growing larger. The parameters of the orbit of the Earth change over time.

So, no, there is simply NOT the 'fine tuning' claimed in the video. Life does quite well in many different environments. There is life that *requires* a lack of oxygen in the atmosphere. There is life that uses sulfur instead of oxygen. There are species that have more than two genders. There are species live where no light ever penetrates.

The video also gets many things wrong. For example, Newton's 'law' of gravity is not the most accurate description of gravity. Instead, general relativity, due to Einstein, is a better description.

Further, the actual computation of probabilities in the video makes many assumptions that are known to be wrong. I have gone over some above, but a deeper issue is that the 501 different parameters are NOT independent of each other, so a simply multiplication of probabilities is NOT correct. I would also argue that the probabilities given are not even close to the correct values.

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SalixIncendium said:

Seva? I've always seen these three paths referred to as bhakti (devotion/worship), jnana (knowledge/wisdom), and karma (service/action).

Can you point me to where the path of service is referred to a seva?

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Selfless service or Seva is a service which is performed without any expectation of result or award for performing it. Such services can be performed to benefit other human beings or society.

The idea of selfless service (seva also sewa) is an important concept in a number of religions because God is perceived as having an interest in the well-being of others as well as oneself; serving other people is considered an essential devotional practice of indirectly serving God and living a religious life that is a benefit to others.

"Living creatures are nourished by food, and food is nourished by rain; rain itself is the water of life, which comes from selfless worship and service." - Bhagavad Gita, 3.14

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Seva in Sikhism
In Sikhism, seva refers to selfless service for altruistic purposes on behalf of, and for the betterment of a community. Sikhs have a tradition of seva. ... Seva is a means to promote humility and demote egoism which is a basic concept of the Sikh religion and is one of three fundamental principles of Sikhism.

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Bg 3.9: Work done as a sacrifice for Viṣṇu has to be performed; otherwise work causes bondage in this material world. Therefore, O son of Kuntī, perform your prescribed duties for His satisfaction, and in that way you will always remain free from bondage.

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What is Seva in Hinduism?
Seva is a Sanskrit word meaning selfless service, and perhaps considered the most important part of any spiritual practice. It lies at the heart of the path of karma yoga—selfless action—and asks us to serve others with no expectation of outcome.

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What is Seva in yoga?
The word "Seva" is a Sanskrit word often associated with the facet of yoga meaning “service.” However, it is more than just a simple desire to help others. ... It is an expression of compassion for others and a genuine desire to uplift those around you.

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Polymath257 said:

You may hold these beliefs quite strongly, but there is a BIG difference between that and knowing them for a fact. If you really 'know them for a fact', you would be able to supply actual evidence showing them to be the only plausible alternative. But, instead, you give a video that is full of inaccuracies and outright falsehoods. if this is what you base your beliefs on, I am sorry to tell you it isn't what is supported by the science.

As for the rest of your mythology, many people have believed many things about the supernatural for many generations. I have yet to see *any* evidence that supports even the existence of a supernatural, let alone of actual beings that are supernatural.

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Pilgrim Soldier said:

The most highest God, actually said He hides facts from certain people. He said they will seek diligently but they will never find the truth. His statement has not been proven wrong, even though so called scientists have been trying to prove Him wrong for the past 6000 years they still haven't manages to prove anything.

God said that He has blinded the eyes of the unbelievers, so they can't see the truth and He has closed their minds so they will never understand the truth. I don't know why He does this but I know He has the right to do whatever He wants to and there's no power in the universe to challenge Him.

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Pilgrim Soldier said:

The most highest God, actually said He hides facts from certain people. He said they will seek diligently but they will never find the truth. His statement has not been proven wrong, even though so called scientists have been trying to prove Him wrong for the past 6000 years they still haven't manages to prove anything.

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God said that He has blinded the eyes of the unbelievers, so they can't see the truth and He has closed their minds so they will never understand the truth. I don't know why He does this but I know He has the right to do whatever He wants to and there's no power in the universe to challenge Him.

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Pilgrim Soldier said:

There are highly educated people on both sides of the argument, they have been debating this topic since time began and they will continue to debate it long after we die.

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The reality is, nobody can force someone to believe their theory. we're all free to believe whatever we choose to believe. But the cold harsh truth of the ,matter is, it doesn't matter what anyone believes the truth remains unchanged and the truth will have His way no matter what any man believes.

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Wandering Monk said:

Denying fact is called delusion.

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Pilgrim Soldier said:

What are facts, who decides. We need to establish what something is before we can accept it as a valid thing. We live in a world where there's no such thing as facts, everything is subject to our individual preference. Your facts are not my facts. We all invent our own facts as we go along our merry way.

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