PruePhillip
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Yes, surrender. And handing over the Jews as well.
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Yes, surrender. And handing over the Jews as well.
Very true.
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
Your blatant ignoring of the fact that Jesus had no problem with self defense in order to push some fantastical pacifist agenda is noted.
Regiomontanus
Ματαιοδοξία ματαιοδοξιών! Όλα είναι ματαιοδοξία.
I understand where you are coming from. Turning the other cheek has been the single hardest thing for me to do since becoming a Christian.
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
And what about the Jews? It's a lot harder for them.
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
What? I can't figure out your grammar here.
Jesus DID have a problem with 'self defense' and he showed it by allowing his disciples
to purchase swords, and then after using them he healed someone injured by these
weapons. To make a point.
I don’t see any reason why it would not work. I think it would be better than what we now have.
74x12
Well-Known Member
It would improve ... but would people ever do that?
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
You can't even get Christians to come to a census as to what Jesus would do.
How you think it will work once you start involving non-Christians?
74x12
Well-Known Member
You're right about that.
Jesus could cure with a touch. But his time was very valuable. Curing the poor is very expensive today, sometimes millions of dollars per person. I really don't see how the US could subsidize such medical coverage. It seems as though something in the economy has got to break.
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
The US medical system has been on the brink of ruin for the last year....
I hear this so often: Jesus being linked to socialism.
But Jesus wrote the whole of the Bible, and later they had socialism and it went wrong.
See Acts 2:45 for existing socialism and Acts 11:29 or Romans 15:26 when they went broke (my interpretation).
Altfish
Veteran Member
Socialism does NOT equal communism. They are totally different, socialism accepts capitalism.
JC definitely wanted to help the poor and needy. He cared for children, not like the GOP or Tories in UK
but socialism is what the Bible verses were talking about, I think.
Socialism according to Definition of SOCIALISM, means advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods - that's what happened in Jerusalem among the Christians back then.
Altfish
Veteran Member
But look at the countries I named, they are 'socialist' it is what it is. The dictionary definition has long since gone. It has become a scare word in the US
the disctionary counts. I don't like redifining things every once in a while.
If you don't like this word, look for another one.
I think it has become common to distort the meaning of words and we shouldn't contribute to it.
If we don't stick to the definitions used by scientists, economists in this case, we can't discuss properly and we would just be muddying the water. If we don't use proper wording, everybody could bring in a new meaning once they feel like it in this case...
So please: stick to the wording used by experts in this fields. The ones who have a scientific degree.
Don't just reflect the dreams and wishes of self-declared "experts".
You can use all sorts of precise terminology for what you mean.
Altfish
Veteran Member
You ignore much of what I said - socialism to most countries (Not US where it is basically communism) is a left leaning government. I said to look at New Zealand and Scandinavian countries.
Jesus healed the sick (regardless of wealth).
Many nations have socialized medicine, but it seems to me that paying millions of dollars to heal a homeless person with a serious illness is not economically sustainable.
Yet, there is so much that we can do to help the homeless, and ignoring them is not the solution.
Every is hurt by germs. Homeless people have no place to pee and poop. We should insist that the government sets up porto-potties. This certainly seems like a weird topic for a religious forum, but tending to the needy is a very big part of God's plans.
Very often, the most humane plan is the cheapest plan. It would cost a fortune if the homeless had to catch (and spread) COVID.
Hitler was a right leaning Socialist (National Socialist Party=NAZI).