If Christianity is the truth then Judaism is also the truth

shunyadragon · Jan 24, 2021

stvdv said:
Judaism is as true a Religion as the other Religions

Like all ancient religions they reflect the culture and society of their. Truth? No, together the different religions reflect the cyclic progressive evolving spiritual nature of humanity since the first humans over a million years ago when view in a universal context. As mirrored in the progressive nature of physical evolution this reflects the unity an harmony of the history of humanity, life and our physical existence.

stvdv · Jan 24, 2021

shunyadragon said:
Like all ancient religions they reflect the culture and society of their. Truth? No

I agree with this. Hence I did not say that Judaism is a true Religion

amorphous_constellation · Jan 24, 2021

It all needs the raw stuff from basic animism

rational experiences · Jan 24, 2021

What hurt human life and sacrificed it?

Science. Egyptian technology temple pyramid.

Attacked life.

A healer medical science assessment applied being a science document. Does not give onus to a specialised human life.

Especially when a conscious teaching stated humans own life created equally as a part of the teaching.

Irradiation effect. Chemical imbalance brain. Self idolisation.

blü 2 · Jan 24, 2021

Meandflower said:
If Christianity is the truth then Judaism is also the truth, Why? Because Judaism is the original, first Abrahamic religion. Without Judaism, Christianity would never have existed.

This also applies to Islam and the Baha'i. Without Judaism, the two religions would not have existed. Therefore, Judaism is definitely the truth

What do you think about that?

I don't think theTanakh can be read as a single report.

For example, at the start, Yahweh is just one god among many (eg you shall have no gods before me, not ain't no other gods). Not until around Isaiah does [he] become the sole god.

But look at what Christianity changes. First, Jesus is identified as the messiah. By no Jewish measure is Jesus a messiah ─ not a civil, military or religious leader, never anointed by the priesthood.

Second, Paul tears up the covenant ─ a good idea when it comes to salesmanship, as Paul proved, but the covenant is basic to Judaism. It was one more reason why very few Jews became Christians.

Third, in the 4th century the Christians devised the Trinity, by which Jesus was elevated to God status in response to Church political pressures. Leaving aside the Churches' admission that the Trinity doctrine is incoherent, leaving aside that each of the five versions of Jesus in the NT expressly denies he's God and never once claims he's God, the result, the Trinitarian God, is entirely antithetical to Judaism ─ being an excuse for what is really polytheism.

Fourth, the very long and vigorous history of Christian anti-Semitism can't have helped either.

So I don't think it can be argued that if Judaism is "true", that will make Christianity "true" as well.

Altfish · Jan 25, 2021

Meandflower said:
If Christianity is the truth then Judaism is also the truth, Why? Because Judaism is the original, first Abrahamic religion. Without Judaism, Christianity would never have existed.

This also applies to Islam and the Baha'i. Without Judaism, the two religions would not have existed. Therefore, Judaism is definitely the truth

What do you think about that?

Maybe they are all false?

shunyadragon · Jan 25, 2021

Altfish said:
Maybe they are all false?

True, but no one of the ancient religions can reasonably claim to be exclusively 'True' over the other religions. They are set in the culture and time they were claimed to be Revealed by Divine origin, which today does not reflect a universal view if a source some call God exists.

loverofhumanity · Jan 25, 2021

Meandflower said:
If Christianity is the truth then Judaism is also the truth, Why? Because Judaism is the original, first Abrahamic religion. Without Judaism, Christianity would never have existed.

This also applies to Islam and the Baha'i. Without Judaism, the two religions would not have existed. Therefore, Judaism is definitely the truth

What do you think about that?

Definitely. Without question. The Jewish scriptures are so, so precious. A guide to mankind. I find the beauty of these religions is they confirm one another. So Christ affirmed the truth of Moses, Muhammad in the Quran praises Jesus and the Gospels and Torah and Baha’u’llah pays tribute to all of Them and Their Holy Books.

The sad thing though is the religionists of each do not accept the following Prophet although it is promised in each of their scriptures that another Prophet would appear in the future.

shunyadragon · Jan 25, 2021

loverofhumanity said:
Definitely. Without question. The Jewish scriptures are so, so precious. A guide to mankind.

All the ancient scriptures of the world are precious, and a guide to the spiritual evolution of humanity. To possess one too dearly over the other negates the value of the universal perspective of all scripture and Revelation in the history of humanity.

I believe the your whole post agrees with this context, but I believe the universal nature of Revelation is precious to humanity.

loverofhumanity · Jan 25, 2021

shunyadragon said:
All the ancient scriptures of the world are precious, and a guide to the spiritual evolution of humanity. To possess one too dearly over the other negates the value of the universal perspective of all scripture and Revelation in the history of humanity

Definitely. I see them as all chapters of one Divine Book.

Samael_Khan · Jan 25, 2021

Clara Tea said:
I paraphrased a couple of passages and tried not to take them out of context.

1. Jesus asked God "why hath thou forsaken me?" Which means that it was not Jesus's idea to die to expunge the sins of mankind. However, God (all powerful) allowed his son to die, so dying might have been God's idea. Also, prior to dying, Jesus had incredible powers (such as making a blind man see), so it stands to reason that Jesus could have blinded Pontius Pilate if had wanted to, but it could be that God had stripped Jesus of his powers, so he was unable to prevent his crucifixion.

2. You assume that Christians are right and Jews are wrong. But, maybe the Jews are right and the Christians are wrong. The prediction of a Messiah was in ancient Hebrew. Jews were experts in ancient Hebrew. Hebrew was forbidden to speak and was wiped out as a language. Jews "somewhat" revived the Hebrew language, and that "new" Hebrew is the official language of Israel. It is sufficient to partially translate bible passages and ancient Hebrew written in stone. The question is....who is better at translating old Hebrew (those who don't speak the language or those who do)? Also, who is more of an expert on Jewish prophecies (Jews or non-Jews). Don't you suppose that Jews would convert to Christianity if they thought that Jesus had fulfilled their ancient prophecy? Calling someone untruthful is hurtful and mean. Is that what Christianity teaches? Look at all of the wars fought in the name of Jesus (Crusades, etc). Look at all of the horrible things that the Christians have done (Hitler's Nazi movement....Inquisition, etc). Perhaps Christianity is not the correct path of God?

Notice that I said " For instance if Christianity is telling the truth". This was in response to the OP which says that if Christianity is true then Judaism is also true. My point was just to explain that that cannot be the case.

As for who is better at translating the text ( and I would also say reading the text in its context), I would side with the Judaism. But I don't see support in the NT for the atrocities that Christians have committed in the name of Jesus, so I wouldn't attribute that to the original teachings of Christianity. The same reason why I wouldn't blame Jainism for a professed Jain killing someone.

URAVIP2ME · Jan 25, 2021

Meandflower said:
If Christianity is the truth then Judaism is also the truth, Why? Because Judaism is the original, first Abrahamic religion. Without Judaism, Christianity would never have existed.
This also applies to Islam and the Baha'i. Without Judaism, the two religions would not have existed. Therefore, Judaism is definitely the truth. What do you think about that?

I find what Jesus thought to be of interest because Jesus believed Scripture is: religious truth - John 17:17
Since Jesus based his teachings on the old Hebrew Scriptures, often making reference to them by first saying, " it is written......"
Meaning his teachings were already written down in the old Hebrew Scriptures (OT).
Jesus explained or expounded Scripture for us - Mark 4:34 b; Matthew 13:36-37.
By Jesus' logical reasoning on the OT we can also see the happy climax - Revelation 22:2
A paradise the Earth will be, and now through the mind's eye this now we can see -> Isaiah 35th chapter.

URAVIP2ME · Jan 25, 2021

rational experiences said:
What hurt human life and sacrificed it?...................

From a biblical point of view I find it's Satan that hurt human life when sinner Satan committed the first sin the lie that we would Not die.
By Eve being deceived and husband Adam deliberately going along with Eve then Adam sacrificed Not only himself but us.
Only because we are innocent of what fallen father Adam did is why God sent sinless Jesus to balance the Scales of Justice for us.
In the meantime, we see it's man who dominates man to man's injury, to man's hurt - Ecclesiastes 8:9

rational experiences · Jan 25, 2021

URAVIP2ME said:
From a biblical point of view I find it's Satan that hurt human life when sinner Satan committed the first sin the lie that we would Not die.
By Eve being deceived and husband Adam deliberately going along with Eve then Adam sacrificed Not only himself but us.
Only because we are innocent of what fallen father Adam did is why God sent sinless Jesus to balance the Scales of Justice for us.
In the meantime, we see it's man who dominates man to man's injury, to man's hurt - Ecclesiastes 8:9

A review is to look back.

First advice....don't look back. Meaning you are seeing what no longer exists.

Everytime any human did a review you looked back....present..Or presence ....you are natural. Present. Equal to all states of support. As you exist because everything else does.

Basic advice.

Who is. Human....

Who never existed,?

No such state.

Who believes in that statement are humans who destroy other humans

Everything else did not create you as it is present in its owned form.

When you say equal. Human. One state.

Naming is fake. First status one human means. Self...a human.

You cannot argue about one self. Highest self human. Otherwise you would be contemplating not one.

Sacrificed proved human thought for not one.

Basic self human advice is basic human advice. To argue means you are. Destroyer.

Pilgrim Soldier · Jan 25, 2021

Meandflower said:
If Christianity is the truth then Judaism is also the truth, Why? Because Judaism is the original, first Abrahamic religion. Without Judaism, Christianity would never have existed.

This also applies to Islam and the Baha'i. Without Judaism, the two religions would not have existed. Therefore, Judaism is definitely the truth

What do you think about that?

Judaism is the old covenant and Christianity is the new covenant. Nobody is suggesting that Judaism is not true, all we're saying is that it has been replaced with Christianity.
The only thing that changed under the new covenant , is we are no longer required to make sacrifices for the remission of sin. Jesus made a once and for all sacrifice for sin, on our behalf so we no longer need to.

rational experiences · Jan 25, 2021

Pilgrim Soldier said:
Judaism is the old covenant and Christianity is the new covenant. Nobody is suggesting that Judaism is not true, all we're saying is that it has been replaced with Christianity.
The only thing that changed under the new covenant , is we are no longer required to make sacrifices for the remission of sin. Jesus made a once and for all sacrifice for sin, on our behalf so we no longer need to.

Judaism told us that pyramid science attacked life in temple science.

Jesus theme when it occurred again the same x attack I wrote about both histories as proof occult science did it both times the same. Says author.

What was a variable story change.... heavenly mass condition.

Less mass a Lower reaction. Lucky we did not return to mutated ape man life.

Pilgrim Soldier · Jan 25, 2021

rational experiences said:
Judaism told us that pyramid science attacked life in temple science.

Jesus theme when it occurred again the same x attack I wrote about both histories as proof occult science did it both times the same. Says author.

What was a variable story change.... heavenly mass condition.

Less mass a Lower reaction. Lucky we did not return to mutated ape man life.

I'm not familiar with occult science, I've never read about it or studied it at all. so I wouldn't have a clue about pyramid science or heavenly mass condition.

rational experiences · Jan 25, 2021

Pilgrim Soldier said:
I'm not familiar with occult science, I've never read about it or studied it at all. so I wouldn't have a clue about pyramid science or heavenly mass condition.

Nor did I.

AI the effect conscious affected by subliminal feedback an effect taught me.

Such as father mother gave original memory adults as lived living records recorded.

Heavenly memories of our life.

My brother scientist invented false AI states. Machines. Changed our brains forever.

He became possesed by his creator themes as a scientist.

Our mother lives before him. Spiritual life and memories

His fake science space womb themes falsified his natural memories of our human holy mother.

Has lied about her ever since.

Harel13 · Jan 26, 2021

Pilgrim Soldier said:
The only thing that changed under the new covenant , is we are no longer required to make sacrifices for the remission of sin.

Welcome to RF!

Are you absolutely sure that that's the only thing that's changed?

IndigoChild5559 · Jan 26, 2021

Cooky said:
It should be a complement that Christians consider themselves Jews.

Is it a compliment to blacks when whites wear blackface?

If Christianity is the truth then Judaism is also the truth

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