There'll indeed be a margin of error. You've seen the source so you know as much as I do.
But the trend away from religion in the US, at least in its traditional forms, seems clear enough ─ though still not nearly as far advanced as in Europe.
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USA Nones now 26%, says Pew
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But the trend away from religion in the US, at least in its traditional forms, seems clear enough ─ though still not nearly as far advanced as in Europe.
We all live our lives as a minority of one.
My own view is that we should treat others with decency, respect and inclusion. God or no god, we don't seem too far apart.
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You think @Terrywoodenpic equated them?
It may be of interest that the process of secularism is much more advanced in New Zealand where I live. Over a hundred years ago we were a mostly Christian country. In a recent census there was a rapid decline in the numbers identifying as Christian whereas those who identify with no religion has increased. Comparing the 2013 and 2018 census figures there has been a decline in those identifying as Christian from 48% to 37% whereas the nones have increased from 42% to 49%.
Religion in New Zealand - Wikipedia
It is one of the most dramatic shifts in recent times.
Such therefore as each reader thinks fit.
Yes, one might likewise note the general trend away from social and sporting organizations in the First World, which has been publicly discussed since the 1970s.
But I haven't noticed that bowling is RF's primary concern.
I think that as usually happens in religious surveys, the effect is larger the younger you are.
Theological illiteracy is nothing new. I recall my young teenage self attending Pisco confirmation classes; unsurprisingly there was not a single moment of analysis, criticism (except for the occasional shot at other sects) or indeed encouragement to independent thought. Certainly the Trinity doctrine was only asserted, never subjected to theological analysis (for reasons I now understand).
Yes, the debate forum might have been a better choice; but that doesn't seem to have affected discussion.
For Europe, see under Point 3 here.
Horses are real, as are autos, trains and planes. Ghosts, souls, spirits, exist only as concepts / things imagined in individual brains, no? And as such are much more flexible when it comes to details.No. Even if it were the case that these have "fallen out of fashion" each of these is not the same as the other. Conflating them with one another is generally a sign of cultural/religious/theological illiteracy. Horses have "fallen out of fashion" as a method of transportation but nobody would mistake a car for a horse, and being an auto mechanic is very different than being an equestrian.
Your estimable prime minister Ms. Ardern is not a believer, is she?
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Thanks, that's interesting. I had an idea that Europe would be more secular than the US.
Terrywoodenpic
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The USA still uses religion as a prop to social and business acceptance.
As long as it still has "value" for that purpose. Religion, at face value at least,
will continue to be supported.
However it's ethics and tenets will continue to be optional.
She grew up Mormon which no doubt positively shaped her values but she has no faith currently. Her religious views would probably best be described as agnostic.
Jacinda Adern was 37 when she took office and had her first child when in office. Jacinda and her partner Clark Gayford are engaged but yet to be married. Most NZers care about good character, and give little importance to someone's professed faith.
Heyo
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It is also much more secular in the sense that religion isn't very relevant or interesting. Nobody cares or asks about the religion of a candidate.
You may have come across one or more of the various versions of the line often attributed to Chesterton, "If they stop believing in God, they won't believe nothing ─ they'll believe anything".
(I'm confident that this is not at all an accurate claim, but it has a certain ring as a retort.)
Just so.
It basically covers the spectrum from not-wanting-to-write-atheist to believer-outside-formal-religion, yes. As the poll reports, around 4% of those polled (in the US) said 'atheist' out loud, significant because the percentage appears to have doubled in ten years, at the same time the 'nones' are waxing.
I think "very many" is something of an exaggeration, but yes, 'nones' include some believers.
halbhh
The wonder and awe of "all things".
Well, though I could be wrong, as best I can tell (having paid very careful attention to details) we've just finished with an atheist president from 2017-2021 who just left office.
But I get what you mean. You mean one that openly is out of the closet, and doesn't pander or pretend.
I'm guessing we won't get there, but that's not because there won't be enough of a growth rate for atheism...but instead because there won't be enough time to get from here to there before something has radically changed, so it'd be moot.
Audie
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Audie
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A awful Asian atheist is always gonna be in the minority in usa.
Seeing who is majority, I will take minority, happily.
Hah!
I can understand why no Christian would
want to be associated with him. Creepy.
We heathens be on a roll.
Will eventually take control.