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Parler reappears with Russian help!

Should Russia be punished for facilitating trouble against Joe Biden's Presidency??

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 44.4%
  • No

    Votes: 7 38.9%
  • Don't Know/Maybe

    Votes: 3 16.7%

  • Total voters
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John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
We must stop the evil left-wingers who own and control Twitter at once! Nationalize Twitter immediately! Once incorporated into the Government, they'll be constitutionally prohibited from abridging free speech. It's our clear path forward!

That's a great point. And I agree. Twitter isn't a government agency.

And yet if they're going to play favorites maybe they should be liable in a court of law whenever someone's feelings get hurt by someone's statements. In other words, if they're in the business of filtering content, maybe some kind of objective legalese should be applied to make sure they do it fairly and not in a biased way.

Size matters. They probably shouldn't be exercising monopoly-like power over the politics of the memesphere without some sort of non-biased oversight.



John
 
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John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
If you want to see how extremely violent posts are Parler were and read about Amazon's repeated attempts to get Parler to moderate this stuff, here is Amazon's response to the lawsuit with gory details:

PacerMonitor Document View - 2:21-cv-00031 - Parler LLC v. Amazon Web Services Inc, Docket Item 10

You might want to go back to the months just before and after Trump's inauguration and look at the nasty stuff on Twitter and Facebook back then for a fair comparison. Hell, some of the stuff on Twitter came from Jack's own account.



John
 

Martin

Spam, wonderful spam (bloody vikings!)
Putin deserves a good thrashing with a wet kipper. Though he'd probably enjoy that.
 
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Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
That's a great point. And I agree. Twitter isn't a government agency.

And yet if they're going to play favorites maybe they should be liable in a court of law whenever someone's feelings get hurt by someone's statements. In other words, if they're in the business of filtering content, maybe some kind of objective legalese should be applied to make sure they do it fairly and not in a biased way.

Size matters. They probably shouldn't be exercising monopoly-like power over the politics of the memesphere without some sort of non-biased oversight.



John

Are you even marginally aware of the extreme violent content that was going up on Parler?
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
You might want to go back to the months just before and after Trump's inauguration and look at the nasty stuff on Twitter and Facebook back then for a fair comparison. Hell, some of the stuff on Twitter came from Jack's own account.



John

Well, then Parler should get a pass because 'hypocrites', you know. That doesn't solve the problem with Parler.
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
They literally interpreted clear threats of violence as clear threats of violence.

Even allegedly clear threats of violence are subject to interpretation. For instance, when Madonna said she often thought of blowing up the White House, or Maxine Waters said to harass Trump supporter and tell them they're not wanted in polite society.

Naturally we all agree if there's a way to determine when threats are more than hyperbolic we'd hope something could be looked into, or done. But is it really the responsibility of a content provider like Twitter or Parler to monitor and interpret all that content to determine motive and intent. I'd say that the FBI is free to go through all of Twitter's rants, and Parler's rants, and do some research where they see fit.

But for Jack Dorsey to flag right wing violence and or hyperbole and treat left-wing violence as merely hyperbolic, as though he's an incarnate polygraph, the FBI, and the DOJ, rolled into one pathetic looking dude . . . that's just too much in my opinion.

We have the perfect example of bias at work when a CNN reporter is standing in front of what looks like a war-zone, replete with flames and smoke rising to the heavens, while the chyron at the bottom of the page, and the reporter himself calls the scene a mostly peaceful gathering.

Who could doubt Jack Dorsey considered that CNN broadcast accurate reporting?

Death threats, active planning of illegal break ins, instructions that press were 'soft targets' as well as targeting specific individuals from teachers to members if congress. Amazon warned Parler for months prior to the Capitol sedition that they were not meeting the standards of their contract. Parler has no excuse.

Neither Google, nor Twitter, have the manpower and or the objectivity either to examine, or interpret, everything that goes through their portal for actual rather than hyperbolic violence. When the shoe was on the other foot, Trump becoming President, you could observe fits of violence a plenty and nothing was said or done. Some of the hyperbole came from Dorsey's own account, And yet they demand that a conservative outlet do what they don't do. They demand that conservative outlets interpret content as though they're liberal-minded peyote-smoking snow-flakes or else.

Some might observe it to be somewhat factual to say liberals interpret conservative hyperbole as actual violence while they interpret actual violence on the part of a liberal as hyperbolic. For instance I don't think Maxine Waters was being hyperbolic when she said to run conservatives out of town; get in their faces and make them uncomfortable, and yet not a word was said about that inciting violence. Not a word was said when Pelosi tore up the State of the Union speech on national television.

My point isn't a tit for tat. My point is that biased interpretations occur in both case such that neither case should be thought of as objective and fair-minded.



John
 
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John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
Are you even marginally aware of the extreme violent content that was going up on Parler?

No. But I'm somewhat aware of some of the stuff on Twitter and Facebook when Trump became President.

Nevertheless my point isn't a tit for tat argument. I'm saying neither Twitter, Facebook, nor Parler, should be held responsible to monitor, and interpret, all content. . . Why should we trust them in that capacity even if they tried.

That should be left to a government agency like the FBI or the DOJ. Perhaps Twitter, Facebook, and Parler, could be charged a fee for the fact that a non-political branch of government is monitoring their content in a somewhat even handed way?



John
 

ecco

Veteran Member
From the link:

The IP address belongs to the cybersecurity company DDoS-Guard, which is owned by two Russian men. The company provides services including protection from distributed denial of service attacks.​

I wonder how the right-wing crazies will feel about the Ruskies being able to read their every message and compiling tons of information.

I wonder how soon it will be before US Counterrorism agencies hack into the DDos-Guard server. Hell, they don't even have to do it. Just wait about six months and claim that they did and watch the loons go even loonier.

After all, it would be wrong for our Government to hack into Amazon, but hacking into a Ruskie server - cool.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Now USA is less free than Russia (which allows parler).
Are you serious? Russia may allow Parler to be used by right-wing US terrorists, but you don't really believe that it would be allowed in Russia by anti-putinistas (except to gather information and then Gulag the users).
 

ecco

Veteran Member
It gets convoluted when "Stop the Steal" is interpreted as violence. Or when "Biden stole the election" is interpreted as violence.

Who says "Biden stole the election" is interpreted as violence? No one does. So, why set up a strawman?

On the other hand, a president who says "If I lose, it will be because the election is rigged" is setting up his followers. A president who says "I didn't lose the election, the vote totals are a fraud" is further setting up his followers.
This president insisted he is the rightful winner of the election to an angry crowd just minutes away from the Capitol.
This president harangued the crowd for over forty minutes with lies about the election being stolen.
This president urged the vice president to change the results of the election.
This president told his followers to march on the capitol and "Stop the Steal".

All of that is not violence. All of that is inciting violence. The charge against Trump is...
ARTICLE I: INCITEMENT OF INSURRECTION
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Are you serious? Russia may allow Parler to be used by right-wing US terrorists, but you don't really believe that it would be allowed in Russia by anti-putinistas (except to gather information and then Gulag the users).
I only meant the freedom in respect to "parler" that Russia allows and USA not

I don't know much about Putin, but I remember seeing a YouTube in which Putin said "Muslims, coming here as a guest, should not criticize our culture and faith, and if they like to do that, then I will gladly send them personally to a country of their choice where this is allowed"

So, from the above, I think that it's safe to assume that anti-Putinistas will not be allowed to use Parler for anti-Putin stuff. I think that Putin had a really good day, when he said "I will gladly escort belittling Muslims out of Russia to a country of their choosing". I won't count on that if you do something "anti-Putin", that is a bit more personal than anti-culture or anti-Christianity, and might have you end up somewhere you don't like to be
 

ecco

Veteran Member

ecco

Veteran Member
You might want to go back to the months just before and after Trump's inauguration and look at the nasty stuff on Twitter and Facebook back then for a fair comparison. Hell, some of the stuff on Twitter came from Jack's own account.


Go to the link of the Amazon suit.
Read what some posters wrote.
Show similar comments from "Leftists" when Trump got inaugurated.

We're waiting.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
My point is that biased interpretations occur in both case such that neither case should be thought of as objective and fair-minded.

John


You also had people that were very fine people, on both sides.

Donald

Am I the only one who noticed the similarity?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
:D
That is why I only visit this forum and only post here. I have not tried others I must admit, but I heard others say RF is the least violent
I don't know. Other than a few transgender (and haven't used them in many years, partially because they tend to have a lot of nasty arguments) I've only used here regularly. And I know I have strong support behind me for some issues here that I may not get elsewhere, so I've not really thought of using others.
 
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