exchemist
Veteran Member
OK. I can't make nor tail of what you are trying to say here, but don't bother to explain.
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Can vaccinated people still spread COVID-19?
- Thread starter McBell
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Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
It kind of ruins conversations if messages should be understood the first time around. I rather clarify it to discuss it that cut it short. It's a very bad pet peeve I have on RF.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
It's worst when I do put thought in conversations. Maybe I shouldn't?
Yup. So far none have been shown to render the vaccines ineffective or seriously less effective, but it's a clear possibility and one needing very close attention.
Martin
Spam, wonderful spam (bloody vikings!)
Vaccines can be adapted if necessary. I suspect that variants of corona virus will be around indefinitely, so we'll end up needing periodic jabs for this virus, like the annual flu jab for older people.
And it's not yet clear what length of immunity these new vaccines actually provide.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
we won't know till they start to wear off. people will start to get infected again, but they should still have some protection from the worst effects of the virus.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
well....let's say you get the shot
it does what the claims indicate
THEN you get exposed
you carry the little bugger wherever you go
but you don't feel it
it won't live as long in you as it might in someone else
but if you cough for any OTHER reason..........
the spread will still be there
Martin
Spam, wonderful spam (bloody vikings!)
Potentially, but after vaccination the immune reaction kicks in quickly if you get infected. That means you won't be carrying much virus, and are less likely to pass it on to others.
But of course it's still wise to take precautions, and certainly not to be coughing over people, or whatever.
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
Some lab tests suggest the variants identified in South Africa and Brazil may be less susceptible to antibody drugs or convalescent plasma, antibody-rich blood from COVID-19 survivors — both of which help people fight off the virus.
Government scientists are “actively looking” into that possibility, Dr. Janet Woodcock of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration told reporters Thursday. The government is encouraging development of multi-antibody treatments rather than single-antibody drugs to have more ways to target the virus in case one proves ineffective, she said.
Current vaccines induce broad enough immune responses that they should remain effective, many scientists say. Enough genetic change eventually may require tweaking the vaccine formula, but “it’s probably going to be on the order of years if we use the vaccine well rather than months,” Dr. Andrew Pavia of the University of Utah said Thursday on a webcast hosted by the Infectious Diseases Society of America.
Health officials also worry that if the virus changes enough, people might get COVID-19 a second time. Reinfection currently is rare, but Brazil already confirmed a case in someone with a new variant who had been sickened with a previous version several months earlier.
A new COVID-19 challenge: Mutations rise along with casesGovernment scientists are “actively looking” into that possibility, Dr. Janet Woodcock of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration told reporters Thursday. The government is encouraging development of multi-antibody treatments rather than single-antibody drugs to have more ways to target the virus in case one proves ineffective, she said.
Current vaccines induce broad enough immune responses that they should remain effective, many scientists say. Enough genetic change eventually may require tweaking the vaccine formula, but “it’s probably going to be on the order of years if we use the vaccine well rather than months,” Dr. Andrew Pavia of the University of Utah said Thursday on a webcast hosted by the Infectious Diseases Society of America.
Health officials also worry that if the virus changes enough, people might get COVID-19 a second time. Reinfection currently is rare, but Brazil already confirmed a case in someone with a new variant who had been sickened with a previous version several months earlier.
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
Four of the new variants are especially worrisome.
New coronavirus variants keep popping up. Here's what we know about them - CNNB.1.1.7
At the top of the list for researchers in the US is the B.1.1.7 variant first seen in Britain. The CDC has warned it could worsen the spread of the pandemic. It reports more than 300 cases in 28 states -- but those are only the cases caught by genomic sequencing, which is hit and miss in the US.
B.1.351
The variant first seen in South Africa called B.1.351 or 501Y.V2 was reported for the first time in the US Thursday, in South Carolina.
P.1
A variant suspected of fueling a resurgence of viral spread in Brazil turned up in Minnesota for the first time this week. It was in a traveler from Brazil, so there's no indication yet of community spread.
L425R
Finally, there's a new variant seen in California, as well as a dozen other states. "We don't know yet what the significance of that one is," said Armstrong. It also has a mutation in the receptor binding domain of the spike protein. It is called L425R and while it's being found commonly, it's not yet clear if it's more transmissible.
At the top of the list for researchers in the US is the B.1.1.7 variant first seen in Britain. The CDC has warned it could worsen the spread of the pandemic. It reports more than 300 cases in 28 states -- but those are only the cases caught by genomic sequencing, which is hit and miss in the US.
B.1.351
The variant first seen in South Africa called B.1.351 or 501Y.V2 was reported for the first time in the US Thursday, in South Carolina.
P.1
A variant suspected of fueling a resurgence of viral spread in Brazil turned up in Minnesota for the first time this week. It was in a traveler from Brazil, so there's no indication yet of community spread.
L425R
Finally, there's a new variant seen in California, as well as a dozen other states. "We don't know yet what the significance of that one is," said Armstrong. It also has a mutation in the receptor binding domain of the spike protein. It is called L425R and while it's being found commonly, it's not yet clear if it's more transmissible.
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
It then becomes like the flu, multiple variants with new variants every year.
To be honest with you, I am surprised with the rate of infection that there are not more variants.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
agreed
and with that in mind
I think we will face the threat
what we are doing now only pushes the event further down the calendar
and when it arrives the event will be more devastating
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
With so many Representatives pushing to reopen everything...
Thief
Rogue Theologian
yea.....a catch 22
damn if you do......double damn if you don't
doctors have backed away from using anti-biotics
there is concern of forcing the little buggers into becoming super bugs
TB has become resistant
and last year I heard it became air borne
a REAL problem
this current situation has the potential to completely overrun our ability
to run