IndigoChild5559
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You were trying to give them credit.Why would they want to take credit?
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You were trying to give them credit.Why would they want to take credit?
They did not take credit but I give them credit, because I believe they were the ones that were responsible for all the positive changes that have taken place since the Messianic Era was ushered in by the Bab in 1844.You were trying to give them credit.
Exactly, and I'm saying they can't take credit, because the changes happened after their deaths.They did not take credit but I give them credit, because I believe they were the ones that were responsible for all the positive changes that have taken place since the Messianic Era was ushered in by the Bab in 1844.
They cannot take credit for "doing" the things that happened after their deaths, but they do get the credit for ushering in the new Divine Cycle in which these changes would take place.Exactly, and I'm saying they can't take credit, because the changes happened after their deaths.
They cannot take credit for "doing" the things that happened after their deaths, but they do get the credit for ushering in the new Divine Cycle in which these changes would take place.
They did start in 1844, and then they just continued to unfold after that.No they can't, because these changes didn't start in 1844. They started later.
Sorry, I just don't see how Morse's telegraph message was the Bab or Baha'u'llah ushering in the Messiahic age, especially since nothing significant happened for another century.They did start in 1844, and then they just continued to unfold after that.
What Hath God Wrought?
On May 24, 1844, Samuel F. B. Morse dispatched the first telegraphic message over an experimental line from Washington, D.C., to Baltimore. The message, taken from the Bible, Numbers 23:23 and recorded on a paper tape, had been suggested to Morse by Annie Ellsworth, the young daughter of a friend.
Today in History - May 24 | Library of Congress
What hath God wrought - Wikipedia
Samuel Morse demonstrates the telegraph with the message, “What hath God wrought?”
Is it just a coincidence that May 24, 1844 was within a day of the declaration of the Bab, who ushered in the Messianic Era?
If they ushered in the Industrial Revolution, then that came with a lot of bad stuff too. And if they gave people the knowledge to make bigger and better weapons, maybe Baha'u'llah should have waited until people wouldn't use the knowledge to find better ways to kill each other. Or, they could have released more spiritual knowledge to where people would "know" the Lord and have his Laws written on their hearts. And, as I recall, isn't that one of the end time prophecies... They will know the Lord and not make war anymore?Sorry, I just don't see how Morse's telegraph message was the Bab or Baha'u'llah ushering in the Messiahic age, especially since nothing significant happened for another century.
That's the thing... What we see in the world is a bunch of religions all teaching and believing different things. In order to make them all one, Baha'is have to explain away all those differences. But some of those differences are taken directly from the Scriptures of the religion. So then Baha'is have to try and show how those Scriptures are either wrong or misinterpreted. Like with Christians believing, literally, that Jesus came back to life... simply because that is what the gospel writers said... and they said there were several witnesses.I am simply stating what the Baha’i Faith teaches, that all religions are one and that they are all true.
Are you saying that nothing significant happened until 1944? I am no history buff, so I'd have to read up on that in order to know, or maybe I can find an article written by a Baha'i, if there is one. There might be one since Baha'iTeachings, org covers many subjects and has a Science and History section.Sorry, I just don't see how Morse's telegraph message was the Bab or Baha'u'llah ushering in the Messiahic age, especially since nothing significant happened for another century.
Logically speaking, why would we have to explain away those differences? After all the Baha'i Faith makes no claim that all religions are the same, as Baha'u'llah says they are all different.That's the thing... What we see in the world is a bunch of religions all teaching and believing different things. In order to make them all one, Baha'is have to explain away all those differences.
Yes, those two things are evidence of the Messianic age. Right now, we can't say that everyone knows the Lord -- there are plenty of atheists.If they ushered in the Industrial Revolution, then that came with a lot of bad stuff too. And if they gave people the knowledge to make bigger and better weapons, maybe Baha'u'llah should have waited until people wouldn't use the knowledge to find better ways to kill each other. Or, they could have released more spiritual knowledge to where people would "know" the Lord and have his Laws written on their hearts. And, as I recall, isn't that one of the end time prophecies... They will know the Lord and not make war anymore?
I'd say more recently than that. International warfare didn't stop until after the Iraq war. Modern medicine is also fairly recent, although we slid into it more gradually. It came with the discovery of antibiotics and vaccines and knowledge of DNA, all fairly recent.Are you saying that nothing significant happened until 1944? I am no history buff, so I'd have to read up on that in order to know, or maybe I can find an article written by a Baha'i, if there is one. There might be one since Baha'iTeachings, org covers many subjects and has a Science and History section.
But these things have taken place so I do not know why it matters how long it took, or how soon it happened after the Messiah came, as long as it happened during the Messianic Age.I'd say more recently than that. International warfare didn't stop until after the Iraq war. Modern medicine is also fairly recent, although we slid into it more gradually. It came with the discovery of antibiotics and vaccines and knowledge of DNA, all fairly recent.
I know about those prophecies that say everyone will believe in God because I quote them often:Yes, those two things are evidence of the Messianic age. Right now, we can't say that everyone knows the Lord -- there are plenty of atheists.
You lack evidence that this is the messianic age. There are other signs that are just missing. For example, everyone will know God -- just not true, as atheists still exist.But these things have taken place so I do not know why it matters how long it took, or how soon it happened after the Messiah came, as long as it happened during the Messianic Age.
An age is a period of time, so the Messianic Age spans a period of time, and as such everyone could come to know God at any time during the Messianic Age....You lack evidence that this is the messianic age. There are other signs that are just missing. For example, everyone will know God -- just not true, as atheists still exist.
That is true, in order to prove that you'd have to prove that (A) Baha'u'llah was the Messiah that caused (B) the unfoldment of the Messianic Age (B). In order to determine if that is the case, you'd have to look the evidence that supports Baha'u'llah's claims to be the Messiah.But more to the point, you lack evidence of cause and effect. Just because A comes before B doesn't mean that A causes B.
You might want to take a long hard look into a mirror.If after all the years you have been on this forum you still have not seen the resistance to change of those adherents to older religions, I cannot imagine why. It is so drop dead obvious. Imo, the main reason that that more people do not become Baha'is is because they do not want to relinquish their older religions, so they do not want to believe that the Baha'i Faith is true. This can all be explained by psychology.
Let’s say someone walked up to you, claiming that they are the fulfillment of your religion. Would you drop everything and follow them?One could ask God why that is so, why shoot the Messengers? Why does the Bible show God sends Messengers and Prophets in succession?
Yeah. Everyone is the last prophet until the next one.The issue is "Bible" implies a Christian understanding of the OT. This understanding is foreign to the Jewish Tanakh. God is god, he sent his prophets, gave his law, and he promised them a Messiah.
Then Christianity comes along, adds the Messiah, and Jesus said to reject those who come after him for they are false prophets.
Amd then came along Muhammad.
Amd then came along Bab and Baha'u'llah.
Each one adding and taking, each one reinventing what the last had, each claiming to be the final and complete version of Judaism. Never mind the fact these late comers are the ones Yahweh made his covenants with.