tytlyf
Not Religious
Isn't that up to Mitch McConnell?
Mitch wouldn't vote to remove. Just like before.
So the democratic senate will take care of it.
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Trump Impeachment 2.0
- Thread starter Secret Chief
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Mitch wouldn't vote to remove. Just like before.
So the democratic senate will take care of it.
Just perhaps you should not be so sure of that. Mitch just lost his pre-eminence in the Senate, largely due to Trump. And it does look to me as if he is preparing to purge "Trumpism" from the Republican mind-set.
tytlyf
Not Religious
I didn't expect Mitch to do anything.
We need to write up Impeachment #3 for the Georgia "perfect" phone call.
Daemon Sophic
Avatar in flux
No. Mitch said it will wait till their winter break is over. He also said that (as the new senate minority head) he is not sure which way he personally will vote.
It is avtually probably better this way. More republicans will pull their heads out of (insert your choice of holes here) and be more likely to vote in support of the US and the Constitution, rather than the way they would if forced to vote now.
It is avtually probably better this way. More republicans will pull their heads out of (insert your choice of holes here) and be more likely to vote in support of the US and the Constitution, rather than the way they would if forced to vote now.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
IF Trump really committed a crime he will go to jail
IF Trump does not go to jail, he did not commit a crime
OR justice system plays favors
OR worse
That actually doesn't have anything to do with impeachment.
I believe he keeps the perks unless the Senate votes to deny them to him following his conviction. Same as he retains the right to run for office unless the Senate votes to deny that to him, too.
The timing of the Senate trial is largely up to Nancy Pelosi. She can hold the articles of impeachment for as long as she likes before sending them over to the Senate. Once the Senate has received them, they have a limited time -- a few days -- before they must hold a trial. But that time is long enough to enable McConnell from preventing a trial before Trump is out of office.
If Pelosi has any brains, she will carefully weigh when she sends the articles to the Senate. The trade-offs are what she must consider. Send them sooner, maybe there's a better chance of conviction, but then the Senate will be busy with the trial rather than implementing Biden's program as fast as possible. Send them later -- say, a hundred days later -- and there are again benefits and disadvantages to that. This is a real test of her political skills.
Heyo
Veteran Member
Nope. They have all the time. If he gets ousted by the Senate (and that can happen even after he left office), he can't run again in 2024. (Which makes it much more likely that the republicans go along this time. One competitor eliminated.)
Heyo
Veteran Member
I thought about making an OP about that but it seems to little for a discussion.
The US system is full of single points of failure. Pelosi (or rather her office) is one, McConnell is one (independent from his office), (which now(soon?) is held by Schumer), Pence was one.
These are offices held by a single person with the duty (or power if you like) to perform a function which, if not done, halts a whole process.
(Why Pence? If he didn't oversee the counting of the votes, Biden couldn't have officially become president. The insurrection was an attempt to intimidate Pence, the single point of failure.)
We Never Know
No Slack
Those perks include:
- Pensions equal to the annual pay of a cabinet member ($221,400 in 2021).
- Starting six months after leaving office, a governmental allowance for an office, staffing and equipment.
- Reimbursed travel expenses of up to $1 million annually for the ex-president and up to two staffers; spouses are allowed up to $500,000 for travel.
- Lifetime security services provided by the Secret Service.
- Health benefits through the government’s Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, but only if they had five years of federal employment (Trump, like Jimmy Carter, would not qualify with only four years of civilian service).
- Funerals with full honors and the option of burial at Arlington National Cemetery.
Probably, though maybe not all of them. Under the Former Presidents Act of 1958 (FPA), which created many of the ex-president perks, presidents removed by impeachment are ineligible. But the NTU noted the 10-year limit on post-presidential Secret Service protection was increased to lifetime protection in 2013 and the statutory language did not include the prohibition on benefits for impeached and removed former chief executives.
Notably, the FPA only makes convicted presidents ineligible — impeached but not convicted presidents remain eligible. And with the language that presidents still get benefits if they leave office “other than by removal” through the U.S. Constitution’s impeachment clause, it is unclear a Trump convicted after he’s left the White House — which appears more likely with Mitch McConnell, for now, in possession of the upper hand in a dispute over whether the Senate can be called back into session under this emergency scenario — would lose the perks.
What could Trump lose by being impeached and removed? A lot.
tytlyf
Not Religious
In that case, good. She should hold onto the articles until the new leadership comes in to the senate.
No point passing the articles to Mitch if we already know (from past experience) Republicans won't do the right thing and hold this POTUS accountable.