Christian - Baptism

writer · Nov 26, 2006

160 sins are washed away at the point of water baptism in (Acts 2:38 ; 22:16).
If we confess our sins, He's faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Thus sins may be washed away equally, "at any point," as well as at baptism

When you take into consideration what (1Peter 3:21) says (BAPTISM SAVES)
In 1 P 3:21 the apostle Peter wrote that baptism's not the putting away of the filth [sin] of the flesh. So baptism saves in another way, not in "being the point at which sins are washed away;" since, according to Peter in the Bible, baptism's "not the putting away of the filth of the flesh"

baptism is the point at which sins are washed away (Acts 22:16).
Saul of Tarsus, in 22:16, washed away his sins of persescuting the saints who called on Jesus by calling on Jesus, and getting baptized, which is by definition a public confession and testimony. This was particularly his most powerful, recent, and infamous sins of hunting down the callers on Jesus. But the blood of God's Christ was not limited to Saul's water of baptism, or baptism, since Saul received into his spirit, and met, the Son of God, as Eternal Life, a few days prior to Saul's baptism

the blood of Jesus washes away sins,the question is at what point of obedience does this happen? (ACTS 22:16) make it very clear,IT IS AT THE POINT OF WATER BAPTISM.
To the contrary: Ac 22:16's context makes clear it's referring to the infamous, and special case of, Saul of Tarsus, the great religious persecutor of callers on Jesus. Just as Saul didn't have to wait to confess and apologize to the Lord, personally, and privately; so too the eternal effectiveness of the precious blood of the Lamb is not reduced or limited to any outward human action or "legalism." That would be counterproductive and altogether contrary to the will of God and personal, relational, nature of being a Christian and conversing w/ God in Christ.
Thanx

adilrockstar · Nov 27, 2006

Water baptism is symbolic. It is a public expression of your NEW LIFE.
It is also a show of your faith.

It is a display to show everyone that the Old Person is Dead and the New Person Now Lives.

Baptism is not a requirment of salvation.

writer · Nov 27, 2006

it dependz on what u mean by "salvation"

PHOTOTAKER · Nov 27, 2006

adilrockstar said:
Baptism is not a requirment of salvation.

yea, but without it you will not enter into the kingdom of God...

adilrockstar · Nov 27, 2006

writer said:
it dependz on what u mean by "salvation"

The Biblical Salvation that comes from belief in the Son of God, Jesus Christ.

adilrockstar · Nov 27, 2006

PHOTOTAKER said:
yea, but without it you will not enter into the kingdom of God...

This is incorrect for Christians.

Bishka · Nov 27, 2006

adilrockstar said:
This is incorrect for Christians.

Then why on earth did Jesus Christ get baptized? Just for fun? I hardly think so.

Why would He need to be baptized if He was perfect? Ever thought He set an example for us.

And what gives you the right to say what all Christians believe and what is or 'isn't correct?

PHOTOTAKER · Nov 27, 2006

adilrockstar said:
This is incorrect for Christians.

i thank Jesus is very clear...

john 3:3-5
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mothers womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Baerly · Nov 27, 2006

Someone asked why was Jesus Baptized? The bible says Jesus was not baptized to wash away sin because he did no sin. Jesus was baptized to fulfill all righteousness (Mt 3:15).

The bible says BAPTISM SAVES (1Peter 3:21). This would mean one was lost spiritually BEFORE BAPTISM.

(Gal.3:27) Says one is Baptized INTO Christ.For that to happen one must have been out of Christ and lost spiritually to be baptized INTO Christ. After all Salvation is ONLY found IN Christ (2Tim.2:10).

Salvation means one has had his/her sins washed away,they are a member of the church of Christ and they will be citizens of Heaven (Acts 22:16) (Rom.16:16) (Mt.25:34).

(MARK 16:16) Says - Belief + Water Baptism = Salvation.

(Acts 22:16) Says 1.Arise 2.Be Baptized 3.Wash Away Sins 4. Calling on the name of the Lord. In (Col.3:17) How do we do all in the name of the Lord? We do what the Lord AUTHORIZES. Question: What was authorized in (Acts 22:16)? Water Baptism. Following the commandments of the Lord is HOW Paul CALLED on the name of the Lord. Remember, (IF) a persons sins are washed away when one calls on the name of the Lord (verbally), Pauls sins would have been washed away when Jesus met the Lord on the road to Damascus (Acts 9:6). But instead the bible says Paul still has his sins THREE DAYS LATER after he met the Lord. I am amazed at the way the bible deals with false doctrine.

(Acts 2:38) Says Repent + Water Baptism = Forgiveness of Sins.

One must have HELP to misunderstand the above verses or flat REFUSE what they actually teach as read in the bible (2Thess.2:10-12) (Acts 17:11).

Him that hath an ear Hear (Mt.13:13-16).

in love Baerly

adilrockstar · Nov 27, 2006

PHOTOTAKER said:
i thank Jesus is very clear...

john 3:3-5
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mothers womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

"Being born of water and the Spirit" could refer to 1. the contrast between physical birth (water) and spiritual birth (spirit), or 2. being regenerated by the Spirit and SIGNIFYING that rebirth by Christian baptism. The water may also represent the cleansing actions of God's Holy spirit (Titus 3:5).

Jesus was explaining the importance of a spiritual rebirth, saying that people don't enter the Kingdom by living a better life, but by being spiritually reborn.

Symbolic! Not absolutely necessary to enter Heaven.

God Bless

Adil

Bishka · Nov 27, 2006

adilrockstar said:
"Being born of water and the Spirit" could refer to 1. the contrast between physical birth (water) and spiritual birth (spirit), or 2. being regenerated by the Spirit and SIGNIFYING that rebirth by Christian baptism. The water may also represent the cleansing actions of God's Holy spirit (Titus 3:5).

Jesus was explaining the importance of a spiritual rebirth, saying that people don't enter the Kingdom by living a better life, but by being spiritually reborn.

Symbolic! Not absolutely necessary to enter Heaven.

God Bless

Adil

So everything Jesus did was symbolic? And where does it say it was symbolic? It's plain as day in front of your face.

PHOTOTAKER · Nov 27, 2006

adilrockstar said:
"Being born of water and the Spirit" could refer to 1. the contrast between physical birth (water) and spiritual birth (spirit), or 2. being regenerated by the Spirit and SIGNIFYING that rebirth by Christian baptism. The water may also represent the cleansing actions of God's Holy spirit (Titus 3:5).

Jesus was explaining the importance of a spiritual rebirth, saying that people don't enter the Kingdom by living a better life, but by being spiritually reborn.

Symbolic! Not absolutely necessary to enter Heaven.

God Bless

Adil

you really don't get it... your getting the symbolic meaning but your not getting the commandment, it not about meaning or the symbolic of it; its about obedience to God... if God commands it, JUST DO IT!!!

Baerly · Nov 28, 2006

adilrockstar said:
"Being born of water and the Spirit" could refer to 1. the contrast between physical birth (water) and spiritual birth (spirit), or 2. being regenerated by the Spirit and SIGNIFYING that rebirth by Christian baptism. The water may also represent the cleansing actions of God's Holy spirit (Titus 3:5).

Jesus was explaining the importance of a spiritual rebirth, saying that people don't enter the Kingdom by living a better life, but by being spiritually reborn.

Symbolic! Not absolutely necessary to enter Heaven.

God Bless

Adil

Baptism Saves (1Peter 3:21) - That means if one refuses water baptism they will be ________. This is not rocket science. The only symbolism (or TYPE) here is found in Noah and the ark,THE LIKE FIGURE. What does THE LIKE FIGURE mean? It means Noah and his family was SAVED BY WATER, just like we will be SAVED BY WATER ,if we will submit to the will of God and be baptized in water for the forgiveness of our sins (Acts 2:38 ; 22:16) (1Cor.12:13) (Rom.12:2). There is no other gospel according to (Gal.1:6-9).

Baerly · Nov 28, 2006

When does the bible say we are NEW CREATURES?

The bible says we are NEW IN CHRIST (2Cor.5:17).

Let's let the bible tell us HOW to get in Christ. As many of you as have been baptized INTO CHRIST ,have put on CHRIST (Gal.3:27). WE are in Christ at the same point we put Christ on. We are put into the body (or the church) the same time we are put into Christ (1Cor.12:13) (Rom 16:16),WE are saved at the same time we are put into Christ (1Peter 3:21),our sins are washed away at the same time we are put into Christ (Acts 22:16).WE become Christians at the same time we are put into Christ (Acts 11:26) (Isa.62:2),We are redeemed at the same time we are put into CHrist (Eph.1:7),The blood of Jesus washes away our sins at the same time we are put into,WE are forgiven of our sins when we are put into Christ (Heb.9:22) (Rev.1:5).

Does the bible tell us WHEN we are put INTO CHRIST? Yes

- (Gal.3:27) Baptized INTO Christ (Acts 22:16).

sojourner · Nov 28, 2006

Baerly said:
# 1. Yes we use fruit of the vine (oinos). As we learn in (Acts 2:3-11) The Language we use when we worship, our God matters not.

# 2. WE worship in a society that allows us to worship as we wish, so this is a stretch. Your grasping for straws my friend. Although I have worshipped in Bulgaria where it was against the law to assemble,and we did it anyway. It was an offense which the government punished people for doing at that time.

#. 3. The book of Hebrews and the book of Galations deals with those who were going back to The Jewish ways and those who were giving up the faith. The bible says when they went back to the Jewish ways they had fallen from grace (Gal.4:22-31) and (Gal.5:4). They were to be known as Christians according to (Acts 11:26) and (Isa.62:2) and (Acts 4:12). Mostly Christians worshipped in their houses (Rom.16:5) (1Cor.16:19) (Col.4:15).

in love Baerly

1) You didn't answer the question: wine, or grape juice?
2) Thank you for answering. In other words, you do worship differently than the ancient Church.
3) The Church at Galatia was gentile. It also was newer than the Church at Jerusalem. The earliest Christians were Jewish and worshiped in the synagogue.

sojourner · Nov 28, 2006

The bible says BAPTISM SAVES (1Peter 3:21). This would mean one was lost spiritually BEFORE BAPTISM.

So...Jesus was lost spiritually before his baptism?

(Gal.3:27) Says one is Baptized INTO Christ.For that to happen one must have been out of Christ and lost spiritually to be baptized INTO Christ. After all Salvation is ONLY found IN Christ (2Tim.2:10).

Who was Christ baptized into? Himself? Was Christ "out of himself" before his baptism? Was Jesus' salvation found in himself?

Salvation means one has had his/her sins washed away,they are a member of the church of Christ and they will be citizens of Heaven (Acts 22:16) (Rom.16:16) (Mt.25:34).

How could Jesus wash away what was not there? What was Christ a citizen of before his baptism? What if he had refused? Would God admit Christ to heaven, if he had refused John's baptism?

If the dynamic of baptism is as you say, none of these statements make sense. Did Jesus "need" baptism in this way? Then neither do we.

sojourner · Nov 28, 2006

Baerly said:
Baptism Saves (1Peter 3:21) - That means if one refuses water baptism they will be ________. This is not rocket science. The only symbolism (or TYPE) here is found in Noah and the ark,THE LIKE FIGURE. What does THE LIKE FIGURE mean? It means Noah and his family was SAVED BY WATER, just like we will be SAVED BY WATER ,if we will submit to the will of God and be baptized in water for the forgiveness of our sins (Acts 2:38 ; 22:16) (1Cor.12:13) (Rom.12:2). There is no other gospel according to (Gal.1:6-9).

Actually, Noah was saved from the water.
I thought we were saved by the Spirit.

writer · Nov 28, 2006

165 The Biblical Salvation that comes from belief in the Son of God, Jesus Christ
Which aspect precisely, of Biblical salvation?

John 3:16 FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASING LIFE
I believe you mean precisely the salvation of having eternal life, per Jn 3:16.
And in the case of that aspect of salvation you're correct that:
162 baptism's not a requirement of salvation

170 "Being born of water and the Spirit" could refer to 1. the contrast between physical birth (water) and spiritual birth (spirit),
To the contrary: it can't since Jn 3:5's "water and the Spirit,"
not water or the Spirit

or 2. being regenerated by the Spirit and SIGNIFYING that rebirth by Christian baptism
To the contrary: the word "water" precedes "the Spirit" in Jn 3:5, which was the case in regard to this salvation before Jesus was crucified and resurrected

The water may also represent the cleansing actions of God's Holy spirit (Titus 3:5).
To the contrary: "water" in Jn 3:5 refers directly and explicitly to water of baptism in 1:25-34 "...He who sent me to baptize in water..." and 3:22-4:2 "after these things, Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He spent some time with them and baptized..."

...Not absolutely necessary to enter Heaven
Birth of God isn't "enter heaven." It's God, who is Christ, entering you. As the Spirit.
The Three in One God

169 The bible says BAPTISM SAVES (1Peter 3:21). This would mean one was lost spiritually BEFORE BAPTISM.
To the contrary: Saul, for instance, was not lost the 3 days before he got baptized (Ac 9; 22).
The passed-over Jews weren't lost in between their Passover in Ex 12 and their salvation by "baptism" in Ex 14.
Rather: receiving the lamb and their baptism were 2 different aspects of their salvation, and of salvation to them

(Gal.3:27) Says one is Baptized INTO Christ.For that to happen one must have been out of Christ and lost spiritually to be baptized INTO Christ.
To the contrary: Jn 5:24, utilizing the exact same Greek preposition as Gal 3:27, reads: "he who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment but has passed out of death INTO life."
Believing into Christ precedes being baptized into Him, Mk 16:16; Jn 1:12-13; 3:14-18. Thanks

Dentonz · Jan 5, 2007

Baerly said:
Baptism Saves (1Peter 3:21) - That means if one refuses water baptism they will be ________. This is not rocket science. The only symbolism (or TYPE) here is found in Noah and the ark,THE LIKE FIGURE. What does THE LIKE FIGURE mean? It means Noah and his family was SAVED BY WATER, just like we will be SAVED BY WATER ,if we will submit to the will of God and be baptized in water for the forgiveness of our sins (Acts 2:38 ; 22:16) (1Cor.12:13) (Rom.12:2). There is no other gospel according to (Gal.1:6-9).

The only baptism that saves is being washed in the blood of Jesus. You can be immersed in water 10,000 times and be lost unless you have turned from your sin and allowed Jesus to immerse you in the fountain that flows from the cross. The Bible clearly states that without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins.

I believe fully that everyone should be baptized in water as a public confession of faith, however it is only through the blood of Jesus that we can be washed (baptized) clean of our sins.

PHOTOTAKER · Jan 5, 2007

Dentonz said:
The only baptism that saves is being washed in the blood of Jesus. You can be immersed in water 10,000 times and be lost unless you have turned from your sin and allowed Jesus to immerse you in the fountain that flows from the cross. The Bible clearly states that without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins.

that is the atonement, without it we cannot be saved; however we have to be baptized in order to have our sins washed away, than by fire from the Holy Ghost. without the "blood" sacrofice of the Lamb of God it would not be possible to be "saved" but if we are baptised there is nothing in the bible or in any scriptor that i am awere of thatonce saved always saved, i beleve this to be false... for the Lord will forgive who he waints to forgive that is for him to decide, not us.

I believe fully that everyone should be baptized in water as a public confession of faith, however it is only through the blood of Jesus that we can be washed (baptized) clean of our sins.

the baptism is a symble of becomeing the "sons and doughters" of chirst it was never supose to be the saving ordance of man kind, but the Gift of the Holy Ghost is or at least it is one of the resigns of the Holy Ghost only though fire (whict is a symble of Purifacation) can forgive sins and all of us be truly saved it can happen many times thoughout our lives and is the ONLY way that sins are forgiven which can only be done though the "blood" of christ. we are inheritly the son and dougters of God the father for he is the one who created us and we are then adopted into Christ though baptism. He, meaning Christ, become our father and leader; becouse of this, He, agin christ, has promised that if we keep the commandments and endure well we will have everything that he has; which becouse he is only begotten of God the Father of us all he has already recived all that HIS father (christ father) has. now seince christ has promised us all that he hath we shall also recive all that the God the Father hath becomeing hares to the kindom of God and joint hares with Chirst. this in itself is the resign for baptism to become part of the "family" of Christ. a covenit with God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost to keep all of the commandments all of the time and endure to the end...

see
romans 8:16 for the father of our spirit
hebrews 12:9 for the father of our physical body
john 8:44 for the dival as our father
james 1:17-18 and mosiah 5:7 the father who saves us
matthew 12: 48-50 to become a member of christ's family
matthew 12:31 the codution to be forgiven
matthew 12:30 he who is not with me...

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