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How can a Jew reject Jesus as the Messiah?

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Skywalker

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rosends said:
so because the writer of Luke copied the text of Isaiah, that means that Isaiah was talking about what Luke was talking about?

I'll write a book that says that "The Spirit of the Lord is upon" Kermit the Frog and you will have to accept that Luke was talking about Kermit.
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Kermit also didn't teach us how to live and a human could invent such a character. The words and parables of Jesus, like the high moral standards in the sermon on the mount, sound beyond human comprehension. Sermon on the Mount - Wikipedia

The longest discourse in the Sermon is Matthew 5:17–48, traditionally referred to as the Antitheses or Matthew's Antitheses. In the discourse, Jesus fulfills and reinterprets the Old Covenant and in particular its Ten Commandments, contrasting with what "you have heard" from others. For example, he advises turning the other cheek, and to love your enemies, in contrast to taking an eye for an eye. According to most interpretations of Matthew 5:17, 18, 19, and 20, and most Christian views of the Old Covenant, these new interpretations of the Law and Prophets are not opposed to the Old Testament, which was the position of Marcion, but form Jesus' new teachings which bring about salvation, and hence must be adhered to, as emphasized in Matthew 7:24–27 towards the end of the sermon.[15]

In Matthew 6 Jesus condemns doing what would normally be "good works" simply for recognition and not from the heart, such as those of alms (6:1–4), prayer (6:5–15), and fasting (6:16–18). The discourse goes on to condemn the superficiality of materialism and calls the disciples not to worry about material needs, but to "seek" God's kingdom first. Within the discourse on ostentation, Matthew presents an example of correct prayer. Luke places this in a different context. The Lord's prayer (6:9–13) contains parallels to 1 Chronicles 29:10–18.[16][17]

The first part of Matthew 7, i.e. Matthew 7:1–6 deals with judging. Jesus condemns those who judge others before first judging themselves: "Judge not, that ye be not judged."

In the last part in Matthew 7:17–29 Jesus concludes the sermon by warning against false prophets.
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Skywalker

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metis said:
You might check my post #1132 as that's basically what I stated, although you forgot to include one of the roots, which is YHWH.
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Hebrew Roots teaching is not biblical because Jesus Christ is the name of God the Son in English. Hebrew Roots Movement Attacks The Name Of Jesus

Hebrew Roots Movement Attacks the Name of Jesus!

Isaiah 52:6, “Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.”

An exposé on the Hebrew Roots / Sacred Name Movement

His Name is Wonderful!! ... Or is it?

Have you found eternal salvation through the lovely name of our Lord Jesus Christ? Have you found true deliverance from your old sinful past, the world and it's pleasures, in this most precious name? What about the reality of the peace of God, and the assurance nothing can separate us from the love of God? Have you seen lives changed, miracles wrought, families restored, and others responding towards God, at the preaching of this Name above every other name?

What if someone came along and said this Name you have been saved and set free by is not the correct name at all but a misnomer? What if someone came along and said the wonderful name of your Saviour was a corrupt Greek name, derived from a false god called Zeus? How would you react? What would you response be?

Beware!!! This is exactly what is happening in some spheres of Christendom today, through sources of the Hebrew Roots / Messianic / Sacred Name Movement, as it "validates" itself into the Body of Christ.


Why And how?

Titus 1:14, “Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.”

Fact: The Old testament was written in Hebrew for the chosen Jewish Nation. The New Testament was written in Greek where the partition between Jew's and Gentiles was broken down so we could all become one new man in Christ.

Back in the early eighties not long after we left the established church, Don Stanton of Maranatha Revival Crusade was a dear brother in Christ we came to respect and receive much encouragement from, even sharing in our home and supplying much of our literature for witnessing and growth. After being such a blessing to my wife and myself, along with our friends, I became very alarmed when his ministry took a turn towards Judaism when he switched to substituting and teaching Hebraic names for many important biblical names, along with a passion for following Jewish feasts and customs as part of our Christian faith. He even re-wrote the Bible replacing our Saviour's name with Hebraic equivalents and today is entrenched in something our Lord Jesus came to set us free from.

This following three part article is written in response to this tragedy, along with the many people who have e-mailed me in recent months, trying to persuade myself over to the Hebrew Roots Camp. Generally I have found these people to be varied in their opinions in regards to doctrine; some moderate (scripturally still believing in the Trinity) and others into complete heresy omitting the name Jesus Christ entirely from their faith.

The sincere majority of these people have used the gentle diplomatic approach in their argument to win us across, whereas a few others have been aggressive, and down-right rude and even abusive, when we wouldn't skip to their tune. On all occasions have I found them very persistent, rabbinic centered, and usually attacking the holy name of our Lord Jesus Christ one way or another.

An in-depth study will prove the teachers who are fanatically entrenched into this movement are deliberately discrediting, tainting, and replacing the precious name of our Saviour, and attempting to lead bible believing Christians out of Christianity.


From another name to occultic leanings:

Part One of this address is a simplified way of exposing their Hebrew Roots Movement and how believers have been seduced away from the New Testament written in Greek (the universal language of the day) and providentially translated into English (the universal language for the closing hours), with the sole purpose of restoring these folk back to the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

This is followed-up by Part Two revealing the authentic root of our faith and dealing with the false roots of the HRM.

Unlike it's Gentile counterpart the Alexandrian School of Thought, which throws doubt on finding the right source of the Greek, giving it's Scholars the final authority in interpretation, the H.R. Movement has been successful in discrediting the Greek New Testament and replacing it with the so-called Hebrew / Aramaic "originals". This places the final authority in regards to interpreting scripture in the hands of it's rabbinic teachers. Once achieved, then the Holy Name of our Lord Jesus Christ comes under scrutiny.

Part Three by Barb Aho, is more of an in-depth study exposing the sources and occultic connections to this Movement, which is no doubt part of the Great Falling Away delusion in this final hour, even more subtle and dangerous than the false Signs and Wonders Movement, the Word of Faith Movement, and Dominion Theology.

However, we need to make it quite clear from the start this does not mean we lump into one all advocates of the HR Movement as deliberately being into, or promoting the occult. What we are doing is exposing the teaching links to these sources which are deliberately leading believers away from our true root ... Christ Jesus our Lord; replacing His name, and depriving others from the only name whereby man can be saved.
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rosends

rosends

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Skywalker said:
Kermit also didn't teach us how to live and a human could invent such a character. The words and parables of Jesus, like the high moral standards in the sermon on the mount, sound beyond human comprehension. Sermon on the Mount - Wikipedia
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Kermit taught all sorts of really important life lessons! How dare you blaspheme like that. Jesus just copied stuff from Moses and got a bunch of it wrong. And who "invented" Kermit. He was born with no mother and preached to MILLIONS, many more than Jesus ever knew. He has been alive for longer and even when his prophet, Jim Henson, died, he was reborn!
 
Kelly of the Phoenix

Kelly of the Phoenix

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ayin said:
You Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians. You deny that God came into the flesh, you say a created angel became flesh, as if that were not enough, you claim Jesus did not die on a cross.
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I mean, given that y’all think Jesus is alive, he didn’t really die, right?
 
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Skywalker

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rosends said:
Kermit taught all sorts of really important life lessons! How dare you blaspheme like that. Jesus just copied stuff from Moses and got a bunch of it wrong. And who "invented" Kermit. He was born with no mother and preached to MILLIONS, many more than Jesus ever knew. He has been alive for longer and even when his prophet, Jim Henson, died, he was reborn!
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The context of the teachings shows that they were consistent with OT teachings about caring for others. Context matters. its like Zephaniah 3:9. The context is about the Millenium, not sacred names.

“For then will I turn to the people a pure language that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.”
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Context can determine true or false doctrine.
 
Kelly of the Phoenix

Kelly of the Phoenix

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Skywalker said:
Knowing God is making God a part of your life, not seeking what he can do for you. The Jewish doctrine of God ignores God being the Messiah and Hindu Buddhist and Zoroastrian Gods are not Gods of love who died to save all of their creation lost in sin.
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But Vishnu came to earth to save people more often than Jesus did.
 
rosends

rosends

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Skywalker said:
The context of the teachings shows that they were consistent with OT teachings about caring for others. Context matters. its like Zephaniah 3:9. The context is about the Millenium, not sacred names.
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Yes, Kermit's messages WERE consistent with Torah teaching unlike Jesus's! Good point!

Context DOES matter -- just like how the context of Isaiah establishes that the servant is Israel. So true!
 
dybmh

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
@Skywalker, Can you explain this apparent contradiction?

Skywalker said:
People knew Jesus was the Messiah because of his miracles and teachings.
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But you said earlier:

Skywalker said:
Most Jews and Gentiles who he preached to rejected him.
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If most Jews and gentiles whom he preached to rejected him, then people didn't know he was the Messiah because of his teachings and miracles.
 
Kelly of the Phoenix

Kelly of the Phoenix

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I think I should get a prize for getting through over 60 pages lol.

Anyway, I’m glad God helped me divorce a deity from a deity character. No one in the Bible is real. They may be based on real people, but they are characters.
 
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