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The Politics of Denying Americans What they Want and Need: A Case Study

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
PLEASE NOTE: All are invited to read and respond to this thread, but please respect that it is a discussion thread, rather than a debate thread. I have placed it in the "Law" sub-forum solely because there was no better place was available for it.

In the first six minutes of the video, Saagar Enjeti -- a populist political commentator -- provides a witty, but factual history of how Americans were recently denied $2000 pandemic relief stimulus checks.

For many readers, the shenanigans involved in crushing the single most popular political initiative in recent memory will be old and familiar to them. Standard Operating Procedure for how political elites kill bills and ideas that are too popular to vote down in a straight-forward manner.

But some readers might be unfamiliar with how it's done, so I'll mention the gist of it. The basic plan is to prevent the popular idea from being presented to the House or Senate in a 'clean bill'. A 'clean bill' is a single-issue bill. When clean bills are voted on, the public is provided with clear and hard evidence of exactly where their elected representatives stand on an issue. Consequently, when politicians want to shoot down an idea that's exceedingly popular with the people they tack to it other, unrelated, and much more obnoxious measures. This allows them to piously claim that they would have voted for the idea, except they could not in all good conscience allow the other measures to also pass. It's a simple idea, but it's used again and again and again for an obvious reason. It works.

In the final analysis, the reason Americans did not get $2000 checks to help them out during the worst year in living memory is because one man -- Mitch McConnell -- did not want them to have the checks, and thus tacked on to the bill that would have given them the checks a couple of obnoxious measures.

But the fuller story is that McConnell could have been defeated had not -- at various times -- everyone from Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Shumer to Trump himself stuck their thumbs into the process in order to screw up possibility that Americans might actually get substantial help.

Major Take-Away: You can't just vote someone into office and then look away, expecting them to represent your interests. You've got to both vote them into office and then force them to do go to work for you, rather than go to work for their major campaign donors and the special interests, etc.







 

Cooky

Veteran Member
PLEASE NOTE: All are invited to read and respond to this thread, but please respect that it is a discussion thread, rather than a debate thread. I have placed it in the "Law" sub-forum solely because there was no better place was available for it.

In the first six minutes of the video, Saagar Enjeti -- a populist political commentator -- provides a witty, but factual history of how Americans were recently denied $2000 pandemic relief stimulus checks.

For many readers, the shenanigans involved in crushing the single most popular political initiative in recent memory will be old and familiar to them. Standard Operating Procedure for how political elites kill bills and ideas that are too popular to vote down in a straight-forward manner.

But some readers might be unfamiliar with how it's done, so I'll mention the gist of it. The basic plan is to prevent the popular idea from being presented to the House or Senate in a 'clean bill'. A 'clean bill' is a single-issue bill. When clean bills are voted on, the public is provided with clear and hard evidence of exactly where their elected representatives stand on an issue. Consequently, when politicians want to shoot down an idea that's exceedingly popular with the people they tack to it other, unrelated, and much more obnoxious measures. This allows them to piously claim that they would have voted for the idea, except they could not in all good conscience allow the other measures to also pass. It's a simple idea, but it's used again and again and again for an obvious reason. It works.

In the final analysis, the reason Americans did not get $2000 checks to help them out during the worst year in living memory is because one man -- Mitch McConnell -- did not want them to have the checks, and thus tacked on to the bill that would have given them the checks a couple of obnoxious measures.

But the fuller story is that McConnell could have been defeated had not -- at various times -- everyone from Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Shumer to Trump himself stuck their thumbs into the process in order to screw up possibility that Americans might actually get substantial help.

Major Take-Away: You can't just vote someone into office and then look away, expecting them to represent your interests. You've got to both vote them into office and then force them to do go to work for you, rather than go to work for their major campaign donors and the special interests, etc.








Though I wouldn’t have recieved a dime regardless, I've never liked Mitch McConnell.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
You've got to both vote them into office and then force them to do go to work for you, rather than go to work for their major campaign donors and the special interests, etc.

On the other hand, sometimes it works for us. The "Omnibus" bill just signed into law had a Christmas tree list full of goodies with a few clunkers Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021 - Wikipedia

But I do agree with you and would add the calculation that the Trump tax cut, if repealed, would provide enough money to pay for the $2k relief. But personally I'd like to see it much more income limited and am willing to give up my $2k for those that really need it to get it.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
But personally I'd like to see it much more income limited and am willing to give up my $2k for those that really need it to get it.

That's fine if that's how want to see it. No arguing with you then. But if you want to look at the larger picture, then the view is very different.

I do not have precise figures yet -- no one does -- but trillions of dollars have been taken out of the economy over the past year. Not so much the first tier economy -- the stock market, so to speak -- but mostly taken from the second tier economy. That's the rest of us.

By restricting the stimulus checks to people of lower incomes than is already the case (I assume that's what you meant), you will reduce the total money spent and hence the impact and ability of the stimulus spending to affect the economy that most of our lives depend on. How much of a difference can it make? Historically it has made the difference between full economic recovery and ten years of sluggish growth and stagnant wages for most people.

That kind of economy is bad for everyone who isn't tapped into the first tier-- but it is crippling for young people just starting out. It can mean they will live out the rest of their lives less affluent than their parents, and less able to get the jobs and careers they dream of.

And you can actually look at an even larger picture and take into consideration what relatively slow economic growth will mean to America's competition with the Chinese. If you are serious about seeing well paid jobs in America, this will be of concern to you.

Look at the situation however you see fit, bro, but recognize there is a larger picture as well. in fact, there's more than one larger picture.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Just curious, but what is your objection to McConnell? I don't like him either, by the way.

I see him as a human anchor, preventing everything from happening as what appears to be a personal policy of his... Even with Trump, he was one of the last of the sitting Republicans to accept him.

...Just slow in every way.

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Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I see him as a human anchor, preventing everything from happening as what appears to be a personal policy of his... Even with Trump, he was one of the last of the sitting Republicans to accept him.

...Just slow in every way.

That's interesting. Thanks!
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I've seen what a 'law' looks like as it goes through the process of becoming law

and typically it becomes a thick volume of printed material
that NO one can read in year's time
you would have to study the contents at great length to catch even a glimpse
the scope and consequence of that one volume

and supposedly a couple thousand of volumes are passed into law.....each year

that means NO one is well versed in current law

perhaps it is time to drop the shenanigans of practice at hand
and assume the practice of voting on clean bills......ONLY

as for monitoring what our law makers are passing into law
we can't do it

THEY can't do it
 
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