Who is the Antichrist?

shivsomashekhar · Jan 2, 2021

stvdv said:
Did you meet the author(s) and ask them, because you seem quite sure making such a BIG claim?

It is common sense.

Writings are to be interpreted literally. If - as the author - that is not my intent, then I will explicitly tell my readers to interpret my text symbolically.

Your solution of "let's go symbolic" because that will avoid conflict is a cop-out and is without basis. There is *no* indication that the author wanted his text to be interpreted.

Nakosis · Jan 2, 2021

Brickjectivity said:
[1Jo 2:26 NIV] 26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray.

Part of your troubles are due to it being a bad or a partial translation. They selectively translate some words while transliterating other words to your detriment. In this verse Christ is not translated but in nearby verses it is translated -- to 'Anointed'. I suspect a very old deception. This version is not an isolated case, either. Let me further say that in *nearly every and maybe every* English translation the word 'Antichrist' in verse #22 is transliterated, keeping it very ominous and superstitious sounding, but just a few verses down Christ is translated tot 'Anoint/ing/er' and not transliterated. This is against you and me and to support someone else's purposes. It is to our harm.

I think its done on purpose to give you and I the false impression that two words are one, to have us chasing our tails. This translation/transliterations habit came about during the Reformation period. Maybe it was due to the taint of all the hatred between the clerics, despite its obvious duplicity. Some of the Reformers wanted to frame the Roman church as Babylon, and this suited them. It also suited them to assume it would be corrected later, which it never was. Lucky us. "Its our own fault for not learning the original language."

So you could read it as "Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Anointed/er? This is the anti-anoint/er, the one who denies the Father and the Son." This is not subtle. This is completely different and registers differently. It obscures the nature of communal faith, or so it seems to me.

Seems not very useful as a definition except against any who come right out and say Jesus is not the Christ. I suspect there were many about in the day.
Something I'd expect a cult leader to push.
Maybe not as ominous a designation as implied by some folks.

stvdv · Jan 2, 2021

shivsomashekhar said:
It is common sense.

NO. It is your opinion, or it's your common sense

shivsomashekhar said:
Writings are to be interpreted literally. If - as the author - that is not my intent, then I will explicitly tell my readers to interpret my text symbolically.

Not all Scriptures declare this

shivsomashekhar said:
Your solution of "let's go symbolic" because that will avoid conflict is a cop-out and is without basis. There is *no* indication that the author wanted his text to be interpreted.

That is not what I said. You twist my words.

Brickjectivity · Jan 2, 2021

Nakosis said:
Seems not very useful as a definition except against any who come right out and say Jesus is not the Christ. I suspect there were many about in the day.
Something I'd expect a cult leader to push.
Maybe not as ominous a designation as implied by some folks.

I'm not 100% sure, because John contradicts a literal meaning for the verse. Compare these:
[1Jo 2:4, 22 NIV] 4 Whoever says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. ... 22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.

Which is it? Is it the person who denies Jesus is the Christ or the person who doesn't deny it but disobeys? The two verses don't follow a logical form.

TransmutingSoul · Jan 2, 2021

Nakosis said:
According to the Bible?

What I've read...

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

John seems to have a lot to say about the antichrist. Seems they will deny Jesus is Christ and there will be many of them.

Or am I missing some concept? I get the impression that many feel there will be one antichrist, or one main antichrist. So they can say the antichrist is this or that, assuming having identified the antichrist they can fight/defeat the foe they have identified?

Atheism, IMO, neither confirms or denies Jesus is Christ. Is this passive denial?

Does denial of Jesus require active denial? If so, who today denies Jesus is the Christ?

I see there is an anti christ in all revelations.

In this age it was the half Brother of Baha'u'llah, Mīrzā Yaḥyā Nūrī who became the Antichrist.

It refers to those that except the station of Christ and then try to take the power for themselves, make themselves God.

Regards Tony

rational experiences · Jan 2, 2021

The heavens natural.

A man theist studied and thought.

Said natural heavens owned CH gases that arise out of God planet body.

No anti Christ......not reality of natural history.

Highest natural form is highest natural form.

First and origin

Anti was never origin.

Clara Tea · Jan 3, 2021

Vouthon said:
The Whore of Babylon, refers to both a symbolic female figure and place of evil mentioned in the Book of Revelation in the Bible.

King James Version, Revelation 17:18 "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth."

Obviously that is the most powerful nation in the world, and that "was" (maybe still is) the United States of America.

In context, Revelation is about two demons from the smokey (brimstone) bottomless pit of hell who rose to the leadership of the United States and attacked Babylon, Iraq. Those two demons from hell are President George Herbert Walker Bush (the bible calls him the dragon), and President George W. Bush (the bible calls him the beast).

The bible says that the beast is the son of the dragon, born of the dragon's mouth. I won't speculate about how W. Bush was conceived.

The bible says that the dragon and the beast attacked Babylon, Iraq.

The bible says that the Clinton administration interrupted the two Bush administrations. The bible says it this way: The administration that was (GHW Bush) that is no more (Clinton) is again (W. Bush).

Preachers tell lies about revelation. They say that Babylon in the bible is not the same as Babylon, Iraq. As any archaeologist can tell you, Babylon is an ancient city, and it has been there for thousands of years. Revelation says that anyone who tries to change the meaning of Revelation will burn in the fires of the bottomless pit of hell for all eternity, and they will be written out of the book of life forever (does this mean that they will not be reincarnated?).

Of course we know that the Bush presidents openly defied God's commandment not to kill, and defied God's commandment not to bear false witness. We also know that they lied to the American people about a lot of things (Iran Contra scandal, environmental damage (as they bragged that they were the environmental presidents), and they made a torture camp in Guantanamo, Cuba. Surely you can recognize Satan by following the greed trail and the blood trail. Look for fear and lies in order to spot Satan (remember the phony Orange alerts that Tom Ridge (head of Homeland Security) were not issued by him, but issued by his superiors (W. Bush or Cheney)?

Clara Tea · Jan 3, 2021

Searching for the antichrist?

John 2:18 says that there are many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time (end of the world).

So, the dragon and beast of Revelation are two such antichrists (they are also known as demons from the bottomless pit of hell). They are the two presidents of the United States who attacked Iraq, according to Revelation 17:18 (which defines the Whore of Babylon as the richest and most powerful nation in the world that attacked Iraq twice).

The Bush presidents were deceivers, who lied about the Iran Contra scandal, lied about torture camps (like Guantanamo), lied about spying on phones (proven by Eric Snowden), etc.

blü 2 · Jan 3, 2021

Nakosis said:
Atheism, IMO, neither confirms or denies Jesus is Christ. Is this passive denial?

I don't pretend to speak for all atheists, but even if an atheist accepted there was an historical Jesus, the definition of 'atheism' would seem to rule out that the historical Jesus was the son of God, or Christ in any Christian sense of the word.

Nakosis said:
Does denial of Jesus require active denial?

I would have thought that simply being a non-Christian was a very strong implicit denial of the divinity of Jesus. (I'm not clear where the Baha'i stand on this question; and perhaps there are others that are exceptions.)

Nakosis said:
If so, who today denies Jesus is the Christ?

All the Hindus, Buddhists, Shintoists, Muslims, Jews, followers of native religions of Africa, China, North and South America, Australia, New Zealand, ... and so on and so on.

And all the atheists, and us igtheists.

Though who knows what the agnostics think?

Vee · Jan 3, 2021

Nakosis said:
According to the Bible?

Or am I missing some concept? I get the impression that many feel there will be one antichrist, or one main antichrist. So they can say the antichrist is this or that, assuming having identified the antichrist they can fight/defeat the foe they have identified?

The Greek word Antichrist refers to that which is anti, or opposed to, Christ and it may also refer to a false Christ, one in the place of Christ. Based on that, we can assume the anti-Christ can be all people or groups that either falsely claim to represent Christ or claim to be the Messiah or that oppose Christ. It's not necessary only one person or one particular group. In fact, John mentioned “many antichrists” (1 John 2: 18,19), not an individual.

loverofhumanity · Jan 3, 2021

Nakosis said:
According to the Bible?

What I've read...

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

John seems to have a lot to say about the antichrist. Seems they will deny Jesus is Christ and there will be many of them.

Or am I missing some concept? I get the impression that many feel there will be one antichrist, or one main antichrist. So they can say the antichrist is this or that, assuming having identified the antichrist they can fight/defeat the foe they have identified?

Atheism, IMO, neither confirms or denies Jesus is Christ. Is this passive denial?

Does denial of Jesus require active denial? If so, who today denies Jesus is the Christ?

My personal opinion is that the anti-Christ is ungodliness, materialism, crime, violence, rape, murder etc. All the behaviors which divide us and cause hate and prejudice instead of the love Christ taught. Anything which is anti love is anti Christ. It can be any one of us at any time that we commit anti Christ behaviour instead of loving behaviour towards others.

Thief · Jan 3, 2021

Nakosis said:
Does denial of Jesus require active denial? If so, who today denies Jesus is the Christ?

it is written.....
You are for Me.....or against Me

there seems a line.....drawn

Thief · Jan 3, 2021

and it is written....

there are many who would say to Me.....Lord!.....Lord!
and I know them not

apparently.....that line drawn is not seen by.....many

Thief · Jan 3, 2021

AND.....if you endeavor to be the personification of your Lord
His reflection

and you fail

are you not the personification of the anti-Christ?

firedragon · Jan 3, 2021

Nakosis said:
According to the Bible?

What I've read...

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

John seems to have a lot to say about the antichrist. Seems they will deny Jesus is Christ and there will be many of them.

Or am I missing some concept? I get the impression that many feel there will be one antichrist, or one main antichrist. So they can say the antichrist is this or that, assuming having identified the antichrist they can fight/defeat the foe they have identified?

Atheism, IMO, neither confirms or denies Jesus is Christ. Is this passive denial?

Does denial of Jesus require active denial? If so, who today denies Jesus is the Christ?

I think you are mixing "The Antichrist" of the book of revelations with an antichrist in other places of the Bible like the epistles of John. They seem like two different things. Actually, it obviously seems like two different things. Yet also, in some places the writer speaks of "The Antichrist" coming, and says "even now many antichrists have come".

There seems to be a difference between The Antichrist, and some people called antichrist.

To understand the problem here one has to just simply read the New Testament. If you read it, you will see that the book of revelations doesnt use the word "Antichrist". It says "the wild beast".

But oh what a world it is isn't it!!

URAVIP2ME · Jan 3, 2021

Nakosis said:
According to the Bible? What I've read...
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3
and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
John seems to have a lot to say about the antichrist. Seems they will deny Jesus is Christ and there will be many of them..............

First of all, I noticed that 1 John 2:18 is Not mentioned ^ above^ which includes that even now 'many' antichrists have appeared.
So, collectively they are the antichrist and Not an individual. Also, I notice ^ above ^ the word ' the ' is placed or added in front of antichrist.
1 John 4:3 so antichrist (Not a singular person) would be present back then and would just continue on up to our day or time frame.
It was the ' last hour ' so to speak, of that first-century period - 1 John 2:18 after which the apostasy would spring forth to our time - Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30
False teachers ( <- antichrist) would arise from within - 2 Peter 2:1-3
This false clergy antichrist class makes up the composite ' man of lawlessness ' as found at 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12. -1 Thessalonians 5:2-3
So, there is No one Anti-Christ person to come, rather the powers that be will be saying, " Peace and Security..." as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14,9 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, is the one who will usher in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.

URAVIP2ME · Jan 3, 2021

Vouthon said:
The Whore of Babylon, refers to both a symbolic female figure and place of evil mentioned in the Book of Revelation in the Bible.
Her full title is stated in Revelation 17 (verse 5) as Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Prostitutes and Abominations of the Earth (Ancient Greek: μυστήριον, Βαβυλὼν ἡ μεγάλη, ἡ μήτηρ τῶν πορνῶν καὶ τῶν βδελυγμάτων τῆς γῆς; transliterated mystērion, Babylōn hē megalē, hē mētēr tōn pornōn kai tōn bdelygmatōn tēs gēs).................

I find the symbolic female figure of Revelation 17:5-6 is the great prostitute of Revelation 19:12 who corrupted the earth with her sexual immorality....
Her sins reach clear up to heaven - Revelation 18:5
She commits such immorality with earth's kings ( earth's rulers ), so she is not one person as per Revelation 17:2.
She sits on many ' waters ' according to Revelation 17:1 and Revelation 17:15 explains to us that the ' waters ' are people, crowds and nations .
As the people of ancient Babylon migrated away from ancient Babylon they took with them their new languages and also their false religious-myth ideas and spread them world wide. Spread non-biblical false ideas and practices into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great.
So, she is Not a particular or single place of evil, but religious evil spread throughout today's world: false religion.

soulsurvivor · Jan 3, 2021

Nakosis said:
According to the Bible?

What I've read...

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

John seems to have a lot to say about the antichrist. Seems they will deny Jesus is Christ and there will be many of them.

Or am I missing some concept? I get the impression that many feel there will be one antichrist, or one main antichrist. So they can say the antichrist is this or that, assuming having identified the antichrist they can fight/defeat the foe they have identified?

Atheism, IMO, neither confirms or denies Jesus is Christ. Is this passive denial?

Does denial of Jesus require active denial? If so, who today denies Jesus is the Christ?

The main Anti-Christ of this age was definitely Hitler - no other person has been more opposite to the Christ. There have been other minor Anti-Christs. Some claim that Trump is the latest (maybe final) Anti-Christ. See The Anti-Christ

1213 · Jan 5, 2021

Nakosis said:
...Or am I missing some concept? I get the impression that many feel there will be one antichrist, or one main antichrist. So they can say the antichrist is this or that, assuming having identified the antichrist they can fight/defeat the foe they have identified?....

When people speak of the one specific antichrist, I think they are meaning this person:

Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction, he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God.
2 Thes. 2:3-4

paarsurrey · Jan 6, 2021

Vee said:
The Greek word Antichrist refers to that which is anti, or opposed to, Christ and it may also refer to a false Christ, one in the place of Christ. Based on that, we can assume the anti-Christ can be all people or groups that either falsely claim to represent Christ or claim to be the Messiah or that oppose Christ. It's not necessary only one person or one particular group. In fact, John mentioned “many antichrists” (1 John 2: 18,19), not an individual.

Vee wrote, " The Greek word Antichrist refers to that which is anti, or opposed to, Christ"

And it all started, I figure, with a fake vision that sinful Paul narrated:

"For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance:

that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
that he was buried,
that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve.
After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time,

most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born."
— 1 Cor. 15:3–8, NIV
Conversion of Paul the Apostle - Wikipedia

Sinful Paul , as I understand, not only did he fake the vision but also faked creeds that became the basis of Pauline-Christianity, and which were against the teachings of the truthful and innocent Jesus. Right friends, please?
And this untruth is going on for some 2000 years, it certainly appears.
Right friends, please?
In the wake of the above, I figure, sinful Paul along-with his associates, the Church he founded and the Christian-priesthood and missionaries collectively could be called the Anti-Christ another name of which is Dajjal- the Deceiver in Islamic Terminology. Right friends, please?

Regards

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